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Old 08-16-2009, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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It is so funny every time Rasmussen is mentioned the loony left becomes unhinged. By the most objective standard it is the most accurate pollster out there.

United States Political Polls. 2008 Presidential Election, Primaries & caucus polls: Democrat, Republican opinion polls.

"Was the nation's most accurate polling firm during the Presidential election & the only one to project both Bush & Kerry's vote total within half a percentage point of the actual outcome."

http://www.fordham.edu/images/academ...20election.pdf
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Old 08-16-2009, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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It is so funny every time Rasmussen is mentioned the loony left becomes unhinged. By the most objective standard it is the most accurate pollster out there.
"Unhinged"???? Hyperbolize much?
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Old 08-16-2009, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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Looks like the vilification of angry seniors and insurance companies hasn't payed off very well for Democrats.



Democrats held a four-point lead on the issue last month and a 10-point lead in June. For most of the past two years, more than 50% of voters said they trusted Democrats on health care. The latest results mark the lowest level of support measured for the party on the now-contentious issue.

Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low with just 42% of U.S. voters now in favor of it. That’s down five points from two weeks ago and down eight points from six weeks ago.

Trust on Issues - Rasmussen Reports™
Ok, I'm trying to find the wording of the questions asked in this report and I can't find them. Without knowing what the questions were, you really know nothing. The article discusses people not supporting the Obama and congressional proposals but I see nothing about trusting the Republicans more. I'm not saying people didn't say they trust the Republicans more -- you can fool some of the people all of the time and a lot of the people some of the time -- but I'd like to see the actual question and the results. I know the rationale for that trust won't be included but I guess you can eke it out from the other questions -- they believe the lies, disinformation and rumors...
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Old 08-16-2009, 07:05 AM
 
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It comes down to fiscal responsibility. We're broke. Bush bankrupted us and Obama is an even bigger spender than Bush dreamed of being. This program is going to cost us and Obama has plans on spending money lots of other ways. We don't want higher taxes and less benefits. We're broke. Both parties wiped us out.
Bush couldn't get this past, Obama can't. It's just that americans just don't trust Obama any more than they'd trust Bush. They wised up, read up, spoke up then began to rise up and got called names for it. The US government can't be trusted to do anything financially.
Would you trust your mortgage payments to a crack head? How about giving your 8 year old the money to pay your car loan? The bank is right past the candy store and toy store. How about giving your retirement money to your problem gambler uncle? Or maybe the grocery money to your sister in law who maxes out her credit cards and never pays anything but the minimum payments.
Get this through your heads. We're broke.
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Old 08-16-2009, 07:14 AM
 
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It comes down to fiscal responsibility. We're broke. Bush bankrupted us and Obama is an even bigger spender than Bush dreamed of being. This program is going to cost us and Obama has plans on spending money lots of other ways. We don't want higher taxes and less benefits. We're broke. Both parties wiped us out.
Bush couldn't get this past, Obama can't. It's just that americans just don't trust Obama any more than they'd trust Bush. They wised up, read up, spoke up then began to rise up and got called names for it. The US government can't be trusted to do anything financially.
Would you trust your mortgage payments to a crack head? How about giving your 8 year old the money to pay your car loan? The bank is right past the candy store and toy store. How about giving your retirement money to your problem gambler uncle? Or maybe the grocery money to your sister in law who maxes out her credit cards and never pays anything but the minimum payments.
Get this through your heads. We're broke.
Yeah paying for the Health care reform really isn't the issue tho... We will be able to afford it without having to go further in debt. I haven't actually heard a logical argument against the health care bill, other than it hasn't been explained clearly enough. This is of course because some conservative zealots don't want anyone to hear it explained, and instead just shout and stomp their feet to get what they want, at the behest of the republican party.

Fact is, insurance companies are just like the oil companies, they can charge whatever they want because they sell a necessity. Now a non profit, government ran health care OPTION fixes this because it forces insurance companies to raise their standards so they can compete. Competition is the number once catalyst in a capitalist market. Wow say that 10 times fast...
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Old 08-16-2009, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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It comes down to fiscal responsibility. We're broke. Bush bankrupted us and Obama is an even bigger spender than Bush dreamed of being. This program is going to cost us and Obama has plans on spending money lots of other ways. We don't want higher taxes and less benefits. We're broke. Both parties wiped us out.
How do you just ignore the costs of health care with the insurance-run system we have? The tax deductions to people who pay for health care, the cost for premiums for the insured and the employer (who has to raise price and/or lower wages to pay for that insurance), the out-of-pocket expenses most people pay even though they have insurance (and the under-insured have a lot of out-of-pocket expenses), the cost for ER visits that should have been handled in routine office visits because doctors won't take patients with Medicaid or who don't have insurance leaving few options for many people. The fact that the insurance premiums include profit, large sales/marketing bugets, duplication of administrate structure, lobbying and political contributes, people paid to deny coverage. The increased overhead to doctors who often have to pay multiple insurance specialists to deal with the various and complex policies that are sold by a multitude of insurance companies.

We can't afford the system we have. That's what the problem is.
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Old 08-16-2009, 08:44 AM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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People must understand something.

Most left wingers are wanting a freebie handout and will do whatever they can to get it.

When it is all said and done, the left wing wacko mobsters in congress will be blamed totally for the mess they created in America which is a good thing.

Time to get them out of control, we give them a shot and look what they have done.

They cannot run a lemonade stand correctly.

Voters never trusted the commi left anyway, they just gave Obama and this wacko congress a chance to change things, well we sure got that change didnt we?

Time for a change people, time to rid ourselves of the dems once again.
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Old 08-16-2009, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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People must understand something.

Most left wingers are wanting a freebie handout and will do whatever they can to get it.
When you want to know what a left winger thinks, ask a right winger who will tell you what Rush told her left wingers want.

Despite what Rush told you, left wingers know that national health care (which is what left wingers want) is not free, no more so than insurance-run health care is free. And many, many left wingers pay lots and lots of taxes and can even afford to buy health insurance. Nevertheless, what they want is health care, not insurance, for everyone even if it means they pay more taxes. They know they are already paying an enormous amount for health care under the insurance-run system, it just is hidden better.
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Old 08-16-2009, 08:51 AM
 
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People must understand something.

Most left wingers are wanting a freebie handout and will do whatever they can to get it.

When it is all said and done, the left wing wacko mobsters in congress will be blamed totally for the mess they created in America which is a good thing.

Time to get them out of control, we give them a shot and look what they have done.

They cannot run a lemonade stand correctly.

Voters never trusted the commi left anyway, they just gave Obama and this wacko congress a chance to change things, well we sure got that change didnt we?

Time for a change people, time to rid ourselves of the dems once again.
Ok lets do it! lets get Obama and the dems out of washington! O wait, theres absolutely nothing you can do.

And are you saying that YOU gave the democrats a shot? How exactly do you mean? I'm sure you didn't vote for any of them, so thats not it. You have opposed EVERY SINGLE THING Obama has done since before he was even sworn in, so you didn't give him a shot there. What is this supposed chance you gave Obama? And how exactly did he ruin it? This country seems like its getting in better shape than it was before Obama was elected... what exactly has changed in anyone's life for the worse?

Its funny how you think that if you whine enough, the democrats will just leave. Well sorry, you scared enough independents away and they're on our side now, and we all like what Obama is doing. Deal with it.
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Old 08-17-2009, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Another good site with a lot of different polls from all over:

PollingReport.com

Thanks for the link.

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