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Old 08-16-2009, 04:08 PM
 
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Absolutely, but you have to look at which special interest group is benefitting from the bill. Conrad has been purchased by the insurance companies; therefore, against public option, Obama does have some money from health insurance companies but not near as much; therefore, for public option.

His bill would not affect health care professionals that much although they seem to think so.
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Old 08-16-2009, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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So why not cut them out of the picture, medical savings accounts where GASP... people are actually responsible for paying their own bills.
These MSAs are not what they are cracked up to be. You would have to put aside a minimum of $20K per person for a fairly uncomplicated short-term hospitalization; way more for a lengthly illness like leukemia.
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Old 08-16-2009, 04:19 PM
 
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So why not cut them out of the picture, medical savings accounts where GASP... people are actually responsible for paying their own bills.
I'm with you on that and on principle I'd prefer to not have insurance at all.
Its a rotten industry where the entire goal is to get paid based on people's fears.
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Old 08-16-2009, 04:37 PM
 
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These MSAs are not what they are cracked up to be. You would have to put aside a minimum of $20K per person for a fairly uncomplicated short-term hospitalization; way more for a lengthly illness like leukemia.
Obviously they are not the complete solution, but just a small example of alternatives, the bottom line is, insurance companies are in the drivers seat right now, when you change that, we the people start to open more opportunities and options
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Old 08-16-2009, 04:44 PM
 
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Good piece from The Nation on how the private Health Care lobby has bought senators and reps in low cost media market states over the years.

Now it's just a matter of blowing the corporate whistle and watching Fido Baucus and Spot Konrad roll over and beg.
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Old 08-16-2009, 05:00 PM
 
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No, as mentioned in multiple other postings we need to look at alternative ways to approach the health care issue. I don't believe any poster has said we have a "perfect" system today, but the proposed alternative certainly wasn't attractive to many of us whatsoever.
To be fair, most of us on C-D who have weighed in on both sides of this issue would probably not NEED the plan being proposed.

From what I've seen, most of us posting in this forum on this subject have a) Medicaid, b) Medicare, c) employer-funded insurance, d) privately-purchased insurance, or e) choose to pay for care out-of-pocket. The number of posts from those who have truly fallen through the cracks has been small here.

I wonder how many of their voices are truly being heard over the ruckus at the town hall meetings.
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Old 08-16-2009, 05:03 PM
 
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I'm with you on that and on principle I'd prefer to not have insurance at all.
Its a rotten industry where the entire goal is to get paid based on people's fears.
And the biggest mystery to me is the enormous differences hospitals, clinics, and physicians charge to a) insurance companies, b) Medicare, c) Medicaid, and d) charity care/sliding scale.

How much does this **** really cost??
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Old 08-16-2009, 05:07 PM
 
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And the biggest mystery to me is the enormous differences hospitals, clinics, and physicians charge to a) insurance companies, b) Medicare, c) Medicaid, and d) charity care/sliding scale.

How much does this **** really cost??
Well. I think that may be the best revolt. If we don't get a major overhaul...drop all insurance. F'Em.
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Old 08-16-2009, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Well. I think that may be the best revolt. If we don't get a major overhaul...drop all insurance. F'Em.
If enough people do it, it just MIGHT work.
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Old 08-16-2009, 06:03 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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As I step back, I find it astounding that a Democratic controlled Senate (60 votes) and house, with lopsided majorities, and a Democratic president, can't pass their own health care bill. I know not all Democrats are the same, but still....

How did this happen?
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