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Old 08-17-2009, 12:19 PM
 
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Enron is the perfect example of how good and compassionate corporations are, I am sure all those ex-Enron employees are as thankful as you are for all the jobs the company created and unions are BAAAAAAAAAD!. Keep believing the LIE.
And this is a perfect example of how the left will take ONE example and use it to represent the masses.

What about Sears, Target, Albertsons, Boeing, Bic, Pulte, AT&T, Aetna, Adobe, 3M, American Express, B&N, Bayer, ConAgra, DuPont, Kodak, Ford, Hearst, John Deere, Johnson & Johnson, MetLife, Texas Instruments, Fieldstone, Humana, SBC, Shell, Sprint, Tesoro, US Airways, 3Comm, Abbott, Ameritech, Bristol Meyers, Cabot, Cannon, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....

You know, those that all have HUGE charitable foundations set up and give more to the community than you can fathom. Not including those owners and executives that anonymously give more than you make in a year.

But yeah, because of one corrupt corporation, "corporations bad!" Your reasoning is flawless.
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Old 08-17-2009, 12:23 PM
 
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Even one such as you
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should be able to tell the difference between the terms "healthcare reform" and "health insurance reform". One is supposed to actually perform health care. The other, the method to pay for it. The lie is trying to combine the two into one entity. Of course, if the government plans succeeds, that is exactly what will happen.

I can see how you would get confused.
As you yourself said, they're the same thing. I think I explained fairly well why they're having to spell out exactly WHAT is intended to be reformed, since people have chosen to misunderstand so profoundly. Nothing sinister about it.

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You can tell what others think in your capacity as what, government spin doctor? You define what terms you want and then tell others that they are not thinking in your terms, so they must be wrong. Nice liberal trick, to bad it is "transparent".
Just guessing based on the assumptions you made and the conclusions you drew from them.
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Old 08-17-2009, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Iowa, Heartland of Murica
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You know, those that all have HUGE charitable foundations set up and give more to the community than you can fathom. Not including those owners and executives that anonymously give more than you make in a year.

But yeah, because of one corrupt corporation, "corporations bad!" Your reasoning is flawless.
Of course they do! What a great way to reduce their tax burden. I am sorry, I meant to say, corporations are such compassionate institutions, they actually "give back" to the community, almost as good as Mother Theresa. Unions on the other hand are BAD and Communist!
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Old 08-17-2009, 12:32 PM
 
Location: South Fla
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Corporations are GOOD because they create jobs! LOL...One of my favorite Conservative LIES!
So you have provided your own elec, water, You built the computer you are using from scrap metal you found walking around town because you surely dont own a car. You got internet from where? The chair you are sitting on came from the tree in your backyard right?

Because you dont need a corporation for anything in your life right? You can live without them right
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Old 08-17-2009, 12:35 PM
 
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Of course they do! What a great way to reduce their tax burden. I am sorry, I meant to say, corporations are such compassionate institutions, they actually "give back" to the community, almost as good as Mother Theresa

So because they get tax breaks for their donations they are still evil? You you rather them not make the donations? You are trying to distract from the truth.

Truth: Government gives tax breaks for charitable donations......good thing

Another truth: Large corporations and wealth make donations, receive tax breaks......everyone wins, another good thing

Third truth: If I'm rich, it is of no benefit of my own to just give money to someone else, and no one should hold it against me if I don't. If I do, that's great and your a better person for it; keeping your own money shoudn't be considered wrong.
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Old 08-17-2009, 12:37 PM
 
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Of course they do! What a great way to reduce their tax burden. I am sorry, I meant to say, corporations are such compassionate institutions, they actually "give back" to the community, almost as good as Mother Theresa. Unions on the other hand are BAD and Communist!
The government rewards those that give.

Guess what, I get a tax break on things that I buy for my business too. I'll pay for $20,000 in advertisements a year for myself. And yep, I get to write that off. It means I'm taxed on $20,000 less than I brought in, but it doesn't mean I get that $20,000 back.

Do you really know what a write off is? They get a FRACTION of that back. Giving away money just for a deduction isn't exactly a sound business practice and very successful corporations aren't exactly where they're at because they're stupid.

I'm sure you'd just rather all the corporations of the world fold. That'd mean no evil charitable giving. No high paid executives, etc. Then everything would be perfect, right?
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Old 08-17-2009, 12:40 PM
 
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So because they get tax breaks for their donations they are still evil? You you rather them not make the donations? You are trying to distract from the truth.

Truth: Government gives tax breaks for charitable donations......good thing

Another truth: Large corporations and wealth make donations, receive tax breaks......everyone wins, another good thing

Third truth: If I'm rich, it is of no benefit of my own to just give money to someone else, and no one should hold it against me if I don't. If I do, that's great and your a better person for it; keeping your own money shoudn't be considered wrong.
Corporations shouldn't be seen as a benevolent force because that's not what they're designed to do. Anything that distracts from that (even giving donations or whatever) is a con game.

It's telling that you don't seem to want that money to go to the employee so that they have a choice as to whether they donate to a charitable organization or not. It's possible corporations are donating to charitable organizations I don't agree with (as a consumer or as an employee).
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Old 08-17-2009, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Iowa, Heartland of Murica
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Corporations shouldn't be seen as a benevolent force because that's not what they're designed to do. Anything that distracts from that (even giving donations or whatever) is a con game.
Some suckers actually believe in this type of corporate BS. Wow, I work for such a benevolent company, look at them, they are helping those poor black people build a home! So compassionate!
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Old 08-17-2009, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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Some suckers actually believe in this type of corporate BS. Wow, I work for such a benevolent company, look at them, they are helping those poor black people build a home! So compassionate!
So in your little world, only government can do good?

As Mr.T once said...
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:03 PM
 
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We all need to start ignoring Repubocrat...more and more I think he is a 13 year old posting here to get a rise out of people. I think he is just doing it for the attention. If we ignore him he might just go away.
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