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39yo male with new diagnosis of prostate cancer
needs surgery and chemo
submits 'application' for said treatment
response time 3 months
response verbage 'your application has been denied, see below for reason so you can resubmit'
reason given...'no reason given' try and try again
6 months later said male finds out that he is terminal due to not having needed surgery in time. now cancer has spread.
outcome: said patient will be given 'end of life' counseling NO PROBLEM [/quote]
And what would be the CHANGE????? Private insurance companies routinely do that now (submit, get denied, re-submit, get denied, on and on) until the person's life is hanging on a thread. Then all of a sudden, mysteriously, as the patient is ready to die, medical procedures are approved and heroic measures are taken. By that time, end-of-life is inevitable no matter what medical procedure opens up and becomes available. I don't see how government involvement could be any worse.
I mean, when you're dealing with the dregs of society (aka private insurance companies) as in the current system, a change could only cause improvement. That's at least, how I see it.
So what's an acceptable body count while the governments health care plan has "the bugs worked out" and when exactly is the learning curve over?
Err...the complaint about the clunker program isn't that the car deal doesn't happen (analogous to the medical procedure in the OP's argument), but that the paperwork isn't processed quickly.
So, the body count would be zero in this analogy. Zero bodies. In this analogy (the OP's, not mine), the doctor's will complain about not being quickly reimbursed for the procedures they performed in a timely manner.
Fear-mongering can't work on this. Not this time. The learning curve should never end. That's how we got into this situation in the first place. We have failed as a country to learn and make improvements, and keep learning, and make improvements, and so on and so on...
Err...the complaint about the clunker program isn't that the car deal doesn't happen (analogous to the medical procedure in the OP's argument), but that the paperwork isn't processed quickly.
So, the body count would be zero in this analogy. Zero bodies. In this analogy (the OP's, not mine), the doctor's will complain about not being reimbursed for the procedures they performed.
Fear-mongering can't work on this. Not this time.
I guess ...if you wan't to fool yourself that all the bugs will be "paperwork" related.
Err...the complaint about the clunker program isn't that the car deal doesn't happen (analogous to the medical procedure in the OP's argument), but that the paperwork isn't processed quickly.
So, the body count would be zero in this analogy. Zero bodies. In this analogy (the OP's, not mine), the doctor's will complain about not being reimbursed for the procedures they performed.
And when the doctors dont get paid for procedures that they perform, how long do you think they will continue to perform them? This was YOUR argument, now lets expound upon it...
I guess ...if you wan't to fool yourself that all the bugs will be "paperwork" related.
Hey, I'm just taking the OP's anaolgy to it's logical conclusions. If you want to fool yourself that millions of people's lives aren't effected by delays by private insurance companies today under the current system, go ahead. The current "body count" under the current system is unacceptable and a moral tragedy in a country that thinks of itself so highly.
'Aug. 18 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Co. called back 1,350 union workers, its biggest one-time increase in jobs since 2006, as it boosts second-half production, partly in response to demand from the government’s “cash for clunkers” program.'
as a stimulus device it seems to be working.
also it went from drawing board to live very quickly - just a couple of months I think. was an urgent program.
And when the doctors dont get paid for procedures that they perform, how long do you think they will continue to perform them? This was YOUR argument, now lets expound upon it...
Hey, I'm just taking the OP's anaolgy to it's logical conclusions. If you want to fool yourself that millions of people's lives aren't effected by delays by private insurance companies today under the current system, go ahead. The current "body count" under the current system is unacceptable and a moral tragedy in a country that thinks of itself so highly.
Current body count "0"... The complaint isnt people being denied care, the complaint is that people receive large bills after procedures are completed and then decide to file bankruptcy..
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