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Looks more and more likely that this so called bill HR3200 will not be passed by the senate.
Since the public option has attracted so much criticism (thank god for that) it will have to be re written.
There is NO WAY the government can run a program like health care and make it work.
The ONLY thing they do well is the military.
Everything else is bankrupt.
The government needs to leave it alone as this whole fiasco would only aid some 5% of the population anyway. We're already broke so why add to it?
There is NO WAY the government can run a program like health care and make it work.
The ONLY thing they do well is the military.
Everything else is bankrupt.
Interesting logic. Are you saying the military is profitable? Self-sustaining? Why is it not "bankrupt?"
I would argue the opposite. The military is bankrupting America, especially with the Iraq War. We spend more money on the military than anything else. Why is that not "waste?"
It doesnt say that it was audited, it says it was denied. HUGE difference. Even an IRS audit takes place after the fact...
You take a VIN# out of circulation and 2 weeks later someone tries to get it registered, its fraud, clear cut fraud..
Come on, your smart enough to know the difference between fraud and legit claims that get processed and then audited..
Your right...it doesn't say audit, nor does not give a clear reasoning for the delays. Your assumption is anything submitted electronically should go through without issue. That is not always true. And your smart enough to know that no matter what, someone is going to try and beat the system, no matter what measures are thrown into place.
Your right...it doesn't say audit, nor does not give a clear reasoning for the delays. Your assumption is anything submitted electronically should go through without issue. That is not always true. And your smart enough to know that no matter what, someone is going to try and beat the system, no matter what measures are thrown into place.
If they can figure out how to allow individuals to buy up office buildings without even seeing them, (which I just did) or figure out how to buy up public companies by registering and buying up enough shares of the outstanding stock, involving billions and billions of dollars, all within minutes without any "errors", if they can figure out how to process a refund for a car sales rebate program...
Can people beat the system? Absolutely, but this isnt just random mom and pop selling cars and applying for a rebate, this is huge million dollar dealership and billion dollar car companies all using ONE system, all applying for the same parameters to apply for, and receive their rebate that there is no issue with doing audits "after the fact" just like they do tax refunds.
My golley its not a difficult job to take a form, web-base it, and require all of the information to be filled in before hitting "send" and "accepted", and a direct deposit could be made to the dealership within 48 hours...
Anyone who thinks this is a complicated process is a fool, or has never dealt with electronic payments..
No I refer to the ones with their hand out for gov bailout money as you well know.
If we are going to pass a stimulous bill or alternative way to bail out the big 3 then perhaps it should have been written to target those companies.
"as you well know," ? no I dont, or I would have addressed that. Okay, "the US auto industry" as I said. Better?
Looks more and more likely that this so called bill HR3200 will not be passed by the senate.
Since the public option has attracted so much criticism (thank god for that) it will have to be re written.
There is NO WAY the government can run a program like health care and make it work. The ONLY thing they do well is the military. Everything else is bankrupt.
The government needs to leave it alone as this whole fiasco would only aid some 5% of the population anyway. We're already broke so why add to it?
Military spending is the reason everything else is bankrupt.
We spend more on the military than the GDP of Australia.
What we peed away in Iraq would have more than paid for UHC.
Agreed, cause = stimulate auto industry, affect, create another artificial bubble because you encourage people who cant afford car payments to buy cars and push all car sales out the door at once, meaning lower car sales when the program is over.. POP... BUBBLE BURST...
good point, hadn't thought about that. ppl ARE buying cars now, that they can't afford, just like this past housing bubble (2001-2006) where we're paying like hell now....in the end, yes, auto bubble burst.
Looks more and more likely that this so called bill HR3200 will not be passed by the senate.
Since the public option has attracted so much criticism (thank god for that) it will have to be re written.
There is NO WAY the government can run a program like health care and make it work.
The ONLY thing they do well is the military.
Everything else is bankrupt.
The government needs to leave it alone as this whole fiasco would only aid some 5% of the population anyway. We're already broke so why add to it?
Interesting logic. Are you saying the military is profitable? Self-sustaining? Why is it not "bankrupt?"
I would argue the opposite. The military is bankrupting America, especially with the Iraq War. We spend more money on the military than anything else. Why is that not "waste?"
Firstly, I am not relating the Military to profit at all. That is not it's purpose. It is the number one requirement of a President; to protect the citizens of the US and as long as we have a congress and a President this will never change. The global war on terror will be around for decades and people need to get over it; move on.
What I am saying is that it is the one thing the government do well.
Everything else they bankrupt. Like medicare and Social Security.
But on your spending point, with all due respect, you are not entirely correct.
We should look at 2008 as a guide.
The combination of Medicare (23%) and Social Security (21%) has always been more than Military spending. These two were 43% of the federal budget alone that came in at 2.9 Trillion dollars for 2008.
Dept of Defence (DOD) represented 21% of the budget.
Ironically DOD spending may increase now as we continue the War on terror and branch out from Iraq. Each year or there about costs increase too so don't be surprised if we see an increase in DOD spending when the new budget for 2010 comes out in Oct 1.
Yes, we spend huge amounts on the military but look what happened when we cut spending last time.
Alas, it's here to stay.
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