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Old 12-16-2009, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Alvarado, TX
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At least the Senators won't be able to say they haven't had an opportunity to hear it, much less read it. Superb!

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Republicans have forced the Senate clerk to read aloud a 767-page amendment to healthcare reform legislation, paralyzing action on the chamber floor as Democrats approach a Christmas deadline.

Senate aides estimated that it could take eight to 10 hours to read the massive amendment offered by Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont.
Right on!

Senate GOP forces reading of 767-page healthcare amendment - TheHill.com

And, I stand corrected about the reading, to wit:

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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Wednesday withdrew his single-payer healthcare amendment after Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) initiated a procedural maneuver to shipwreck the measure.

Coburn earlier in the day forced the Senate clerk to read aloud Sanders’s 767-page amendment to the Senate healthcare bill in an effort to halt the healthcare debate.



Sanders, a self-described “democratic socialist,” spoke on the Senate floor to announce the withdrawal of the measure.
Bravo!

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...yer-amendment-

I also see Senators Durbin and Menendez criticized the GOP's move to have the amendment read. Whassamatta, Senators, can't stand your power play being bucked with honesty? Tsk, tsk, tsk, the audacity!

 
Old 12-16-2009, 02:14 PM
 
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Brilliant!
 
Old 12-16-2009, 02:21 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Wednesday withdrew his single-payer healthcare amendment after Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) initiated a procedural maneuver to shipwreck the measure.

Coburn earlier in the day forced the Senate clerk to read aloud Sanders’s 767-page amendment to the Senate healthcare bill in an effort to halt the healthcare debate.

Sanders, a self-described “democratic socialist,” spoke on the Senate floor to announce the withdrawal of the measure.
Maybe if the GOP forces Senators to read the final bill when it's ready, the Dems will withdraw that too?

We can always hope.
 
Old 12-16-2009, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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They need to read it out loud so that all the dirty laundry about this bill gets aired.
Too many times they just vote on a stack of papers they never read.
 
Old 12-16-2009, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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If the Dems did this, and forced a delay in the cloture vote on the Defense Spending bill, the wingnuts would go insane. There would be calls of treason.

I guess meaningless displays of pettiness that delay the people's business are OK if you're a Republican.
 
Old 12-16-2009, 02:29 PM
 
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Too late the senator WITHDREW the amendment... back to the talking table... I thought the public option/medicare thing was a done deal and dropped... apparently the liberal senator thought to waste everyone's time by introducing the public option (yet again)... this time Repubs made them eat dirt and withdrew it... I don't like Repubs or stinking liberals but I have to say, it was a bit entertaining to see the two go at it...
 
Old 12-16-2009, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Originally Posted by idahogie View Post
If the Dems did this, and forced a delay in the cloture vote on the Defense Spending bill, the wingnuts would go insane. There would be calls of treason.

I guess meaningless displays of pettiness that delay the people's business are OK if you're a Republican.
Honestly..it's good the bill gets read out loud because otherwise none of them would read it on their own.

Nothing petty about this..don't you think our representatives in Washington should understand what they are voting on ?
 
Old 12-16-2009, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Originally Posted by idahogie View Post
If the Dems did this, and forced a delay in the cloture vote on the Defense Spending bill, the wingnuts would go insane. There would be calls of treason.

I guess meaningless displays of pettiness that delay the people's business are OK if you're a Republican.

I am not sure it is meaningless for everyone to know what is a brand new piece of legislation. How is it possible for any Senator to digest 767 pages of legislation in under an hour? Defense appropriations are something else entirely, they are nothing new, the only thing that changes are the amounts.
 
Old 12-16-2009, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I am not sure it is meaningless for everyone to know what is a brand new piece of legislation. How is it possible for any Senator to digest 767 pages of legislation in under an hour? Defense appropriations are something else entirely, they are nothing new, the only thing that changes are the amounts.
Little do folks know what else is attached to that Defense spending bill....Pelosi bypassing the system of checks and balances.
And no one is screaming about it either.

http://talkradionews.com/2009/12/house-gop-outraged-over-debt-ceiling-attachment-to-defense-bill/ (broken link)

"Speaker Nancy Pelosi to tack a Pentagon appropriations bill with legislation that would increase the nation’s debt ceiling amount by $1.8 trillion by unveiling the” CAP the DEBT Act.” The bill would repeal the Gephart Rule, which allows debt ceiling increases to be included in joint budget resolutions without a direct vote. Under the Scalise legislation, changes to the national debt ceiling amount would have to pass both Congressional houses with two-thirds majority vote."
 
Old 12-16-2009, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
Honestly..it's good the bill gets read out loud because otherwise none of them would read it on their own.

Nothing petty about this..don't you think our representatives in Washington should understand what they are voting on ?
No. The silly demand that they all have to "read the bill" is asinine, and only made by demented teabaggers who don't really think well.

I want my representatives to do the intelligent thing: have his staff review the bills and get outside help from subject matter experts. Their time is too valuable to spend reading bills that they wouldn't really understand or be able to digest anyway. Do you really think that your representative has a few days to read the health care bill? Do you expect each of your representative to read all the competing bills in their entirety as well? There were probably a half-dozen proposals at one time.

Your reasoning is silly.
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