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Old 08-19-2009, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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There's not nearly enough detail in that article to be able to form any kind of an opinion on the decision that was reached. It just says he was retreating after an argument. Was it just an argument.....was he trying to rob him.....was he backing down from doing it or was he sucessful in robbing him....was he running off with one of his children in his arms.....it doesn't say on detail what the circumstances were. The decision may be unique to this case for reasons not explained......it doesn't mean it's OK now for people to start shooting people in the back.
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Old 08-19-2009, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Pretty much the same deal in Florida. The "Castle doctrine" applies to one's home, vehicle, or place of business.
PA First ask how their childhood was. Ask if they were ever molested by priest,family member or friend of the family. Then ask if they were nurtured enough. Then finally ask if they were ever spanked as a child. If the answer is yes to any of these questions hand your weapon over to the criminal and allow them to shoot you. You are part of society and it is your fault the criminal acts like a criminal.
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Old 08-19-2009, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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As I view it, nobody is entitled to anything of mine, and nobody else but my husband belongs in my house uninvited. If I'm able to hurt or kill someone, I'll definitely do it before he/she has the chance to move first. And if he/she has already done harm and tries to flee, I would shoot in an instant.
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Old 08-19-2009, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Wiesbaden, Germany
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every person that is analyzing the situation to the point of whether or not they will hit the bad guy in the back is probably already gone by the time the situation arises (and probably does not own a gun anyhow). That is why you defend your property and your people. It is not shooting, it is defending and protecting. That is definitely a key distinction you have to make.

BTW, CD needs a section just for gun owners. I know there is there are a few in hobbies and recreation, but that is not enough.
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Old 08-20-2009, 06:25 PM
 
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Your odds of hitting a moving leg is pretty slim with a handgun under stress. Much better with a shotgun but that would likely result in tearing the femoral artery and a bleedout before an ambulance could arrive. So now you've got a wounded and frightened threat that can shoot back.

In war, a sniper might try to maim from a distance not out of mercy but for the fact that it takes two to carry one so by wounding one you've effictively neutralized three. It would depend on the objective of course.

When it's hot and heavy and at relatively close range, you shoot for the center of mass because 1, it's more likely to neutralize, and 2, You're more likely to actually hit your target.

If you are so proficient that you can actually take out a moving leg, my hat is off to you but for us mere mortals a shot to the center makes a lot more sense.
Hey guy, I'm talking about someone who is running away, not someone coming AT you. And at that, someone who just stole your car radio - you want a shot to his head?

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Old 08-20-2009, 10:51 PM
 
Location: So. of Rosarito, Baja, Mexico
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Any person that steals...robs...or kills is a person who is committing a "Felony" and will repeat his crime due to the fact they got away with it and in their glory feel a high of blood rushing thru the veins.

They will continue to commit crimes utill caught. Even then after completing a jail sentence and being released...they will resort to the old ways for a quick buck and the h**l with the vicims.

I would compare a criminal with that of a fly. You shoo them away or try to swat them and they will still come back until being stopped for the last time.

I was a victim of a pick up truck burglery...stole my old $99 cheap radio that never worked right. Serves them right as they probably were kicking themselves as a result.

Even had gas taken from it...stupid persons left their own factory gas cap painted from the factory behind on the ground when in a hurry to get away. Stupid is...stupid does.

Steve
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Old 08-20-2009, 11:03 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Any person that steals...robs...or kills is a person who is committing a "Felony" and will repeat his crime due to the fact they got away with it and in their glory feel a high of blood rushing thru the veins.

They will continue to commit crimes utill caught. Even then after completing a jail sentence and being released...they will resort to the old ways for a quick buck and the h**l with the vicims.

I would compare a criminal with that of a fly. You shoo them away or try to swat them and they will still come back until being stopped for the last time.

I was a victim of a pick up truck burglery...stole my old $99 cheap radio that never worked right. Serves them right as they probably were kicking themselves as a result.

Even had gas taken from it...stupid persons left their own factory gas cap painted from the factory behind on the ground when in a hurry to get away. Stupid is...stupid does.

Steve
Well rambo, then I highly suggest you catch the mother f*cker initially, then you dont have to worry, yeah?
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Old 08-20-2009, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Hey guy, I'm talking about someone who is running away, not someone coming AT you. And at that, someone who just stole your car radio - you want a shot to his head?
Now to me the issue isn't the potential loss of a $99.00 radio. The issue is with the attitude of said criminal that its perfectly ok to take it in the first place. I know some feel that a human life is worth more than a stupid radio. I agree when it comes to humans who behave like civilized humans.
Then we have the predatores who walk upright. Unlike the rabid dog they behave like they have the ability to reason. To consider the consequences.
Instead they reason that whats mine is theirs and whats your is theirs including your daughters virtue.
Sorry I am fresh out of compassion for the thugs of this world. They deserve exactly what they get when caught.
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Old 08-20-2009, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Wiesbaden, Germany
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We need to make the game easier for the criminals. Put A's and P's on every door. Anyone with an A is active and will defend themselves. The P's are passive and will greet the criminals with milk and cookies after giving them a hug. This way the criminals will not get injured/killed and it will also help ease the ammunition shortage.
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Old 08-21-2009, 12:33 AM
 
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Hey guy, I'm talking about someone who is running away, not someone coming AT you. And at that, someone who just stole your car radio - you want a shot to his head?

A shot to the center would indicate the center of mass. That's the chest or back, not the head. Head shots and leg shots are easy in video games but not so easy in real life.

If by chance you did happen to get a lucky leg shot, the runner is no longer running, then you've got a wounded and frightened and very likely armed individual that is no longer increasing the distance between. You've got to remember that if your target is within range, so are you.
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