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Old 05-08-2007, 04:46 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Yes, it's very interesting how we mentally convert forcible confiscation of our individual earnings into now being a "FREE" benefit.

Taking a closer look at those European economies, they're quickly spending themselves into an unsustainable "benefit" economy. I get the impression they're not so happy as the unemployment rates skyrocket and there's fewer and fewer people working to provide the tax stream to support all the rest.

They don't have "working poor" citizens like we do. They import minorities from third world countries to do the menial task labor which is beneath their dignity. People who don't get to participate functionally in all the "FREE" benefits. Or, haven't you noticed there's a little unrest in France (for example) these days from a whole group of folks who don't even have jobs or a real opportunity to participate? Even the French government and the local police recognize they have little control over these enclaves within their midst. And they're getting pretty violent, right within the view of the otherwise "happy & content" 32 hour work week Frenchmen.

The result of taxing businesses as a public "cash cow" is coming home to these people. The business of a business is to make money, not to provide full employment. When businesses make money, they have an incentive to provide jobs, goods, and services. If they can't make money, then they don't attract investment capital, and they don't survive.
Excellent! Dead on the mark!

In the zeal of class warfare to "get the rich," socialists will crush everyone but the top 1% while lying to the poor and middle class that they are here to save them.
That is the problem with class warfare based on the politics of envy. It plays well with the unsophisticated, but doesn't have precise pinpoint aim.
Crap splatters.

Socialist lackey Paul Krugman wrote in the NY Times that the problem with a tax reform plan was, "...it won't hurt the rich enough."
As if HURTING anyone is a proper function of government.
Taxes are revenue to fund government services, at least in theory.

The Flat Tax without deductions means as a self-employed individual I would have to pay tax on all revenues produced, and the wage slave will not. If the employee pays tax on the value of revenues produced, including all fringe benefits, and directly pays 15.3% Social Security/Medicare Scam, then that playing field is leveled a little. And that will surely not happen.

Answer? The Fair Tax. It is no one's business how much money another individual person makes. And it will tax that individual's consumption burden on society and the environment.
HR 25, Senate Bill 1025
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServ...ame=about_main
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Old 05-08-2007, 06:50 AM
 
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Excellent! Dead on the mark!

In the zeal of class warfare to "get the rich," socialists will crush everyone but the top 1% while lying to the poor and middle class that they are here to save them.
That is the problem with class warfare based on the politics of envy. It plays well with the unsophisticated, but doesn't have precise pinpoint aim.
Crap splatters.

Socialist lackey Paul Krugman wrote in the NY Times that the problem with a tax reform plan was, "...it won't hurt the rich enough."
As if HURTING anyone is a proper function of government.
Taxes are revenue to fund government services, at least in theory.

The Flat Tax without deductions means as a self-employed individual I would have to pay tax on all revenues produced, and the wage slave will not. If the employee pays tax on the value of revenues produced, including all fringe benefits, and directly pays 15.3% Social Security/Medicare Scam, then that playing field is leveled a little. And that will surely not happen.

Answer? The Fair Tax. It is no one's business how much money another individual person makes. And it will tax that individual's consumption burden on society and the environment.
HR 25, Senate Bill 1025
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServ...ame=about_main
This Fair Tax solution is such a no-brainer that it will never pass. I read that, if the Fair Tax was implemented, some 2 Trillion dollars of money being held in banking accounts overseas would be brought back to the U.S. and used for job creation and business investments. Some 200 - 800 Billion dollars would be brought into the mainstream economy from the underground economy. What a boom this would be for the U.S. economy.

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Old 05-08-2007, 06:53 AM
 
Location: hudson valley
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the fair tax was mentioned in our paper this morning. Here in NYS and the county I live in the taxes are out of control. We live in a 2br condo, no property and pay close to 6k...and it's going to go up even more this year. It is definitly time for a change on how our tax system works.
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:13 AM
 
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the fair tax was mentioned in our paper this morning. Here in NYS and the county I live in the taxes are out of control. We live in a 2br condo, no property and pay close to 6k...and it's going to go up even more this year. It is definitly time for a change on how our tax system works.
I believe that the majority of your tax problems are related to local politicians. If the Fair Tax is implemented, it would definately help on a federal level, but, unless the state implements it as well, I doubt that your taxes will still be outrageous.
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:09 PM
 
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Fair tax = Bill Gates & Warren Buffett pay a way lower rate than your average doctor or real-estate salesman. Very regressive tax.
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:36 PM
 
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Fair tax = Bill Gates & Warren Buffett pay a way lower rate than your average doctor or real-estate salesman. Very regressive tax.
How do you come to that conclusion?
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:39 PM
 
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nah no higher taxes make the 45 million who pay nothing to pay some of their and cut social program spending
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Your mind
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That is the problem with class warfare based on the politics of envy. It plays well with the unsophisticated, but doesn't have precise pinpoint aim.
What's "envious" about wanting people to generally bear the same relative burden when it comes to taxation? Neither the Flat nor "Fair" tax would accomplish this.

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Crap splatters.
I guess...

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Socialist lackey Paul Krugman
Keynesian economist Paul Krugman

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wrote in the NY Times that the problem with a tax reform plan was, "...it won't hurt the rich enough."
As if HURTING anyone is a proper function of government.
Taxes are revenue to fund government services, at least in theory.
All taxes "hurt" someone... maybe he meant it would hurt the rich less than everyone else, and therefore be unfair?

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The Flat Tax without deductions means as a self-employed individual I would have to pay tax on all revenues produced, and the wage slave will not. If the employee pays tax on the value of revenues produced, including all fringe benefits, and directly pays 15.3% Social Security/Medicare Scam, then that playing field is leveled a little. And that will surely not happen.
The only way to truly "level the playing field" would be a large-scale estate tax inheritance redistribution... Everybody starts out with the same resources. Of course, that would also be unworkable and unfair to people who want to give at least some large portion of their resources to their kids, so it'll never happen, and it probably never should. But don't talk about "leveling the playing field" as long as America continues to be a non-equal opportunity nation.

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Answer? The Fair Tax. It is no one's business how much money another individual person makes.
In that case why is it the government's business how much money someone spends?
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:41 PM
 
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How do you come to that conclusion?
What percentage of their income do you think Bill Gates and Warren Buffett spend? When you make more you can afford to save more. Consumption taxes privelage the wealthy by priveleging saving (easier and more prevalent among those with more money) over spending (more necessary for people with less)...
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:43 PM
 
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nah no higher taxes make the 45 million who pay nothing to pay some of their and cut social program spending
What 45 million are you referring to?
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