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What group was ever helped by having its representatives stand up in public and look both incivil and stupid? You can say that no, they are just standing up to give voice to their anger. You can say that no, they are exercising their right of free speech and involving themselves in their government. But the bottom line is that they look, act, and sound incivil and stupid. And when the momentary flash and dust settles away, those will be the lingering impressions that they leave behind. Nay-saying do-nothings in Washington, and bands of incivil stupid people out on the front lines. What sort of recipe for success is that?
I love this thread. It's like a big liberal wet dream...full of whining and hatred.
Medicare and Social Security are on the verge of bancruptcy, the welfare state is falling apart, and your guy paid off his constituents with a phoney stimulus bill, wants to destroy the American economy with cap and trade, then proclaim healthcare a "right" then ration the hell out of it.
Go ahead and whine you pukey little morons. Obama has the House and the Senate...why can't he pass his bills? And you want to pretend the GOP is dead? 2010 is going to be ugly for you folks.
Go ahead and whine you pukey little morons. Obama has the House and the Senate...why can't he pass his bills? And you want to pretend the GOP is dead? 2010 is going to be ugly for you folks.
Pukey little morons? Apparently the incivil and stupid brand is not limited to appearances at scheduled town hall meetings. And just as apparently some don't seem to know the meaning of the word "bankrupt" or they wouldn't be using it with respect to either Medicare or Social Secuirty. The welfare state is meanwhile playing an unfortunately necessary and major role in keeping a Republican-battered economy together, the "phoney" stimulus bill has helped get more done in six months than what Republicans even dreamed of over more than a year, and as rational people have known and been saying for quite some time, our lack of a national energy policy and failure to implement health care reform are like ticking time bombs waiting to blow holes in our economy. What a relief it is to have at long last leaders who actually recognize and work to solve such problems. Republicans are still busy doing neither of those things.
Health care reform will pass. An energy bill will pass. Comprehensive immigration reform will pass. Maybe you all better get busier on those plans of yours for secession and civil war that you keep talking about, because for you, the worst is yet to come.
Pukey little morons? And just as apparently some don't seem to know the meaning of the word "bankrupt" or they wouldn't use it with respect to either Medicare or Social Secuirty. What a relief it is to have at long last leaders who actually recognize and work to solve such problems.
Yup, pukey little morons, that's what it takes to get a liberal's attention.
You see that "financial condition remains challenging" and "costs not sustainable"? This isn't some right wing blog, this is the SSA. The whole mess is melting down. Look at unemployemnt figures. Social security and Medicare are federal Ponzi programs, unemployed don't pay into the system.
And leaders who recognize and work to solve such problems???? This administration is trying to spend it's way out of debt, if they keep it up, our economy will go into freefall.
Have you forgotten already that a huge majority of Americans intentionally chose President Obama to lead us?
A "huge majority"? Since when is 53% a "huge majority". I call it a pretty damn slim majority! And many of them voted for the guy simply because they wanted "change"; though none could articulate what kind of "change". They simply wanted to "give the Democrats another chance" (an argument I have heard). They had no idea what Obama's "change" really meant, because he wasn't real clear, though he did give some huge clues in his writings (his book, "Dreams of My Father") and his associations (with terrorists like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn).
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An exercise of Democracy is hardly a "takeover of America, by the hard left", though you are correct that the difference in the number of votes cast for President Obama and his <snicker> opponents was, indeed, massive.
The election was indeed an exercise in Democracy. But, Barack Obama had something in mind that most Americans couldn't even believe could happen in America; i.e., his (how many are there now) "czars", some of whom are avowed Communists, Socialists, at least one ex Con, tax cheats like Tim Geithner (yeah, and look what he is responsible for! ). Is it any wonder that Obama is losing all his support, much sooner than most other Presidents in their first term. He can't be trusted, and most people know it. He is a "world class" liar.
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From your position slighhtly to the right of Ghengis Khan[and you didn't invent that phrase, you borrowed it from someone else] President Obama may look like a leftist, but he is really a centrist. He is governing to the right of what many of us had hoped for, but he still has time to correct his course and accomplish the things we want done.
Obama a centrist? You are totally in denial! This man is as far left as one can get. McCain is a "centrist". This man, Obama, wants to take over the health care industry. What is "centrist" about that? He has nationalized two auto manufacturers. What is "centrist" about that? He (and his "right hand", Rahm Emanuel) want to require kids to "serve" (voluntarily — LOL) in community service. Is that what you call "centrist"? He wants a "civilian military or police force". Is that "centrist"? Obama is putting small businesses out of business right and left with the threat of high taxes, and he wants to take more from the so-called "rich" (which he defines as anyone making over $250,000) to "re-distribute" to the so-called poor. Do you call that, "centrist"?
Obama wants to dictate how much CEOs can be paid, and has in fact already done so for more than a few companies. Do you call that, "centrist"?
In his "so-called" health care "reform", he wants government bureaucrats to determine what is best for your medical care and treatment. Do you call that "centrist"?
Socialism must now be considered "centrist".
Well, not in my book. That is as far left as one can get. This man is a dangerous radical leftist. If America is to survive, this man must fail. And that is exactly what Rush Limbaugh means when he says he wants him to fail.
We (those of us who love our country), must make sure that he does fail.
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That's what second terms are for, and we Real Americans plan to give him one.
Oh, okay...so those of us who disagree, are not "real Americans" in your book. Well buddy boy, I hate to clue you, but I am as much a "real American" as you think you are, and I served my country during time of War. Did you? Didn't think so. Just for the record, I'm a Vietnam Vet, and I am proud to have served. Defending freedom and liberty is a privelidge. This man, Obama, or Barry, or whatever his name is (we don't really know who he is) did not serve, does not believe in Liberty and Freedom, does not believe in the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land, He will not defend us against our enemies, and he is bent on destroying America.
This man is a fraud, and a danger to Liberty.
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We (those of us who love our country), must make sure that he does fail.
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Actually, those of us who love our country are willing to work together to attempt to correct the eight years of corruption and war crimes that are hallmarks of the Bush 43 years. Sentiments such as this sound great, but in practice the failure of a president only diminishes the country while the perpetrators retire in luxury and comfort. Keep making the wrong decisions and eventually people who believe that only they love their country will begin to question why none of our many problems have been addressed, in spite of the lies and distortions they've believed previously. It isn't enough to nit-pick and lie about Obama...people will wonder what alternatives the GOP is offering. Since they aren't offering anything but the same Rovian dirty tricks, people will begin to dismiss the right wing fringe as just what they are: morally and intellectually bankrupt. One who promotes such fallacies as we see about President Obama or calls for secession have lost the moral right to say the Pledge of Allegiance, in which we promise our loyalty to "...one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Americans who truly love their country hold those words inviolable, and attempt to fulfill that promise instead of claiming certain rights as only applicable to they themselves.
Yup, pukey little morons, that's what it takes to get a liberal's attention.
Well, sure. If you didn't have anything actually intelligent to say, some smarmy low-grade insult might be your next best resort.
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See if this site gets your attention...Trustees Report Summary You see that "financial condition remains challenging" and "costs not sustainable"?
Gee, I've worked regularly with those and parallel reports for decades (though I rarely bother with the summary that you linked to), and I don't recall seeing the word "bankrupt" used. I'm surpised though that you'd risk your Junior Right-Wing Warrior status by citing a document signed off on by Tim Geithner. That's gonna leave a mark.
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This isn't some right wing blog, this is the SSA.
Actually, it's the SSA trustees, but I don't expect that you'd either know or appreciate the difference.
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The whole mess is melting down. Look at unemployemnt figures.
Positively Reaganesque. But the Second Bush Recession began in December 2007. It is only now that the adults are back in charge that some success in turning this thing around is starting to be had. Did you see that industrial production was up by 1% in July? What, you didn't? Oh. Well, that's the first time that's happened since the recession began except for October 2008 to repair that year's hurricane damage.
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Social security and Medicare are federal Ponzi programs...
LOL. No, they are insurance programs. They use current premiums to pay current benefits, to pay current administrative costs, and, as appropriate, to build up reserves. Any questions?
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...unemployed don't pay into the system.
Really??? Wow, you really have boned up on this stuff, haven't you.
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And leaders who recognize and work to solve such problems???? This administration is trying to spend it's way out of debt, if they keep it up, our economy will go into freefall.
Governments aren't like households, but that's a whole other story that no one has apparently ever read to you. Meanwhile, this administration -- like (and in consultation with) the administrations of virtually every other developed country -- is spending in order to support aggregate demand in the face of declining personal consumption expenditures and gross private domestic investment. Absent such public sector spending, there would be nothing at all to put the brakes on this freefall that you fear and the Republicans very nearly sent us into. Maybe you should actually learn a few things about all this before you try to talk about it. There's got to be a decent community college somewhere nearby...look into it.
Well, sure. If you didn't have anything actually intelligent to say, some smarmy low-grade insult might be your next best resort.
Gee, I've worked regularly with those and parallel reports for decades (though I rarely bother with the summary that you linked to), and I don't recall seeing the word "bankrupt" used. I'm surpised though that you'd risk your Junior Right-Wing Warrior status by citing a document signed off on by Tim Geithner. That's gonna leave a mark.
Actually, it's the SSA trustees, but I don't expect that you'd either know or appreciate the difference.
Positively Reaganesque. But the Second Bush Recession began in December 2007. It is only now that the adults are back in charge that some success in turning this thing around is starting to be had. Did you see that industrial production was up by 1% in July? What, you didn't? Oh. Well, that's the first time that's happened since the recession began except for October 2008 to repair that year's hurricane damage.
LOL. No, they are insurance programs. They use current premiums to pay current benefits, to pay current administrative costs, and, as appropriate, to build up reserves. Any questions?
Really??? Wow, you really have boned up on this stuff, haven't you.
Governments aren't like households, but that's a whole other story that no one has apparently ever read to you. Meanwhile, this administration -- like (and in consultation with) the administrations of virtually every other developed country -- is spending in order to support aggregate demand in the face of declining personal consumption expenditures and gross private domestic investment. Absent such public sector spending, there would be nothing at all to put the brakes on this freefall that you fear and the Republicans very nearly sent us into. Maybe you should actually learn a few things about all this before you try to talk about it. There's got to be a decent community college somewhere nearby...look into it.
Aw jeez, I had to dig through a couple cereal boxes to find a decoder ring to figure out all these big words. I don't care if you don't agree with me and I love it when libs get hissy and try to insult me.
I don't like it when you lie.
Your first three points are hissy fits, so we'll jump to the Industrial Production figure, since that's lie #1. In July it was up 0.5%, not 1%. Insignificant you say, maybe, but you fudged it. Tsk. Industrial Production and Capacity Utilization
Now for whopper #2. Social Security is not an insurance plan, it is a federally mandated supplmental retirement system. There is no lock box containing the Social Security Fund. Money taken from my paycheck for Social security payments goes directly into the general fund...and if the CEO of an insurance company ran his firm the way the government runs Social Security he'd be sitting in a cell next to Bernie Madoff.
And I can't even help you with your last paragraph. It's just regurgitated Keynesian economics that someone always grabs onto in a recession, like a damsel in distress yelling "help me please."
So while I'm trying to find a decent community college (and what the heck is wrong with community colleges, you little snoby lib you), you should bone up on recessions.
Because they happen for very good reasons, they take out the excess in a market, in this case the housing bubble, and we know the evil bastards that helped create and profit from that mess (what was the name of that chairman of FNM?).
But they also have a certain life cycle, which can absolutely be prolonged by silly stimulus packages that don't even really kick in til 2010.
We are having a nice rally in the market because the smart money say's the president isn't getting his way on healthcare or cap and trade. But the smart money is worried, because the Chinese aren't buying our treasuries anymore.
Watch your wallets folks, here comes the big hit. And if you complain, they're just going to tell you to find a decent community college. Let's see, where's my phone book?
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). Is it any wonder that Obama is losing all his support, much sooner than most other Presidents in their first term. He can't be trusted, and most people know it. He is a "world class" liar.
