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Old 08-22-2009, 01:16 AM
 
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The Seminal » Maine’s Small Businesses Tell Sen. Snowe They Oppose Mandates Without a Public Option
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Old 08-22-2009, 01:22 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Small business owners in Maine want a public option IF they are mandated to fully subsidize their employee's healthcare.

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She quizzed the bunch on what they thought of the proposal to mandate that individuals purchase health insurance. She added that she was considering requiring business with more than 50 employees to pay 100 percent of the cost of subsidies for their employees' health insurance.
Small business representatives told Snowe that they were opposed to any mandates that came without a public option and that such an alternative was desperately needed for small business, which can't afford the rising cost of health insurance for their employees. The costs make them unable to compete on a level playing field with bigger companies, which can use their size to leverage lower prices. Lobbyists representing larger corporations took the opposite position.
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Old 08-22-2009, 01:36 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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This way they can discontinue their insurance and let their employees go on the "public" plan.

You think companies won't do this all over America ? We'll end up with ONLY the public option in the end.
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Old 08-22-2009, 01:40 AM
 
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This way they can discontinue their insurance and let their employees go on the "public" plan.

You think companies won't do this all over America ? We'll end up with ONLY the public option in the end.
And what would be wrong with that? Do you have stock in United Health or something?

What exactly are you afraid of? The only people you're fighting for are the people who couldn't care less whether you live or die.
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Old 08-22-2009, 01:46 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And what would be wrong with that? Do you have stock in United Health or something?

What exactly are you afraid of? The only people you're fighting for are the people who couldn't care less whether you live or die.
I'm afraid that it will turn into one massive medicaid system and our taxes will go through the roof.
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Old 08-22-2009, 06:32 AM
 
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This way they can discontinue their insurance and let their employees go on the "public" plan.

You think companies won't do this all over America ? We'll end up with ONLY the public option in the end.
Business should have to pick up the tab anyway.
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Old 08-22-2009, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Business should have to pick up the tab anyway.
They should pick up SOME or even HALF but ALL of us should pay into the system. ALL of us. Just like Social Security.
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Old 08-22-2009, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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"She added that she was considering requiring business with more than 50 employees to pay 100 percent of the cost of subsidies for their employees' health insurance."

Do we even know what this means? If Snowe had said "100 percent of the premiums", that's the total cost of the health insurance policy, and there aren't many businesses, large or small, that can afford that.

But she said "100 percent of the cost of subsidies", and I don't know what she means. Anyone?

In H.R. 3200, in Section 421, there's already a provision for a "Credit for Small Business Employee Health Coverage Expenses."
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Old 08-22-2009, 08:22 AM
 
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And what would be wrong with that? Do you have stock in United Health or something?

What exactly are you afraid of? The only people you're fighting for are the people who couldn't care less whether you live or die.
Another brilliant post from the left. The only people you are fighting could care less who lives or dies.

In 1986 the republicans passed a law that said anyone that shows up to a hospital must be taken care of. Whether they can pay or not.

HR 3200 (the proposed healthcare legislation) written by democrats does away with that. On pages 284-288 it assigns a government official to every hospital in the country. That official then decides who is admitted to that hospital. Doesn't matter if the person has govt insurance or private. The govt official decides who is admitted. It cannot be challenged in court. The language is not ambiguous either. That is exactly what it says. It also says on page 317 of said bill that a hospital cannot expand without govt approval. Expansion includes, but is not limited to, hiring of a new nurse or doctor, purchasing of new equipment etc......

Under capitalism expansion and better services is a way to make money and therefore is something people will do. And it benefits the patient. Under socialism everyone gets paid the same no matter what so any type of expansion or new equipment is pure overhead. And as we know we have to keep costs down. This hurts the patient.

And it is right in there. There is no debate about it. The govt decides who gets care from what hospital. And it decides who gets rejected. Theres alot of other stuff in there also that will ration care. But we don't need to read. The democrats are good and pure in everything they do. We can trust them. It also decides what is an "acceptable" private insurance plan on page 26 section C. Of course, what is "acceptable" in Fargo may not be in Bismark. What is "acceptable" on Monday may not be on Tuesday. But as we know the govt isn't trying to put everyone on their plan. LOLs.

So evil republicans pass a law granting healthcare to anyone in the United States 23 years ago. No questions asked. (Don't tell anyone but that law protects blacks, Jews, Mexicans, women and poor people)

Now, in the era of hope and change, we're gonna let a govt official will be arbitrarily deciding who gets healthcare. And that is progress. I'm not a republican but I sure hope they win this one. Because it sounds to me like the democrats are the party that will decide who lives and who dies.
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Old 08-22-2009, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Wal-Mart does this already by encouraging employees to apply for government cheese. I thought liberals were opposed to this idea? Guess not so much if it helps their agenda.

I think it's great that Obama is going for public option. He's betting all or nothing for '10, and it's likely a losing battle so if he fails, the country prospers.
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