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From the neoconservative mouthpiece known as the Weekly Standard:
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The documents released Monday clearly demonstrate that the individuals subjected to Enhanced Interrogation Techniques provided the bulk of intelligence we gained about al Qaeda.
This is an example of dishonest reporting. No where in the actual reports claimed that the enhanced interrogation techniques worked. In fact, they don't even mention any enhanced interrogation techniques. Blurring fact with fiction once again in order to make a talking point.
In fact, the report stated that "KSM almost immediately after his capture in March 2003 elaborated on his plan to crash commercial airlines into Heathrow Airport; he may have assumed that that Ramni Bin al-Shibh, who was captured in December 2002, had already divulged this plan."
This implies that the information was obtained because of an assumption, not enhanced interrogation tecnhniques. But by all means, read the report and point out which techniques were used in order to support the Weekly Standard's claim.
From the neoconservative mouthpiece known as the Weekly Standard:This is an example of dishonest reporting. No where in the actual reports claimed that the enhanced interrogation techniques worked. In fact, they don't even mention any enhanced interrogation techniques. Blurring fact with fiction once again in order to make a talking point.
In fact, the report stated that "KSM almost immediately after his capture in March 2003 elaborated on his plan to crash commercial airlines into Heathrow Airport; he may have assumed that that Ramni Bin al-Shibh, who was captured in December 2002, had already divulged this plan."
This implies that the information was obtained because of an assumption, not enhanced interrogation tecnhniques. But by all means, read the report and point out which techniques were used in order to support the Weekly Standard's claim.
The CIA inspector general in 2004 found that there was no conclusive proof that waterboarding or other harsh interrogation techniques helped the Bush administration thwart any "specific imminent attacks," according to recently declassified Justice Department memos.
by Ali Soufan, an F.B.I. supervisory special agent from 1997 to 2005
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There was no actionable intelligence gained from using enhanced interrogation techniques on Abu Zubaydah that wasn’t, or couldn’t have been, gained from regular tactics. In addition, I saw that using these alternative methods on other terrorists backfired on more than a few occasions — all of which are still classified. The short sightedness behind the use of these techniques ignored the unreliability of the methods, the nature of the threat, the mentality and modus operandi of the terrorists, and due process.
Defenders of these techniques have claimed that they got Abu Zubaydah to give up information leading to the capture of Ramzi bin al-Shibh, a top aide to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and Mr. Padilla. This is false. The information that led to Mr. Shibh’s capture came primarily from a different terrorist operative who was interviewed using traditional methods. As for Mr. Padilla, the dates just don’t add up: the harsh techniques were approved in the memo of August 2002, Mr. Padilla had been arrested that May.
Fascinating piece coming in tomorrow's TIME magazine. Reporter Bobby Ghosh writes, “The most successful interrogation of an al-Qaeda operative by U.S. officials required no sleep deprivation, no slapping or ‘walling’ and no waterboarding. All it took to soften up Abu Jandal, who had been closer to Osama bin Laden than any other terrorist ever captured, was a handful of sugar-free cookies.”
Former interrogator/member of the FBI Ali Soufan, who testified to Congress last month, tells TIME: “He was a diabetic ... We had showed him respect, and we had done this nice thing for him .... So he started talking to us instead of giving us lectures.”
The interrogator, Deuce Martinez, a soft-spoken analyst who spoke no Arabic, had turned down a C.I.A. offer to be trained in waterboarding. He chose to leave the infliction of pain and panic to others, the gung-ho paramilitary types whom the more cerebral interrogators called “knuckledraggers.”
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A canny opponent, Mr. Mohammed mixed disinformation and braggadocio with details of plots, past and planned. Eventually, he grew loquacious. “They’d have long talks about religion,” comparing notes on Islam and Mr. Martinez’s Catholicism, one C.I.A. officer recalled. And, the officer added, there was one other detail no one could have predicted: “He wrote poems to Deuce’s wife.”
Mr. Martinez, who by then had interrogated at least three other high-level prisoners, would bring Mr. Mohammed snacks, usually dates. He would listen to Mr. Mohammed’s despair over the likelihood that he would never see his children again and to his catalog of complaints about his accommodations.
Cheney is completely incapable of admitting error or taking responsibility for anything he does.
BTW - last I heard bin Laden is still running around loose and Pakistan is rapidly becoming the next Republic to fall to radical Islam. To paraphrase, "Great job, Dickey.”
I see sanrene disappeared after being called out on her outrageous lies. I'm sure that somewhere she's starting another post about how Obama is planning on destroying Mt. Rushmore and putting himself, Michelle and Ayers on the replacement. After all, it must be true, she read it in "The Weekly Standard", or heard it from Malkin, or Kristol.
There's a word for people who pass on blatant LIES, but the word can't be used in describing C-D posters. Every time a C-D troll passes on a lie, a dark angel gets its wings.
This implies that the information was obtained because of an assumption, not enhanced interrogation tecnhniques. But by all means, read the report and point out which techniques were used in order to support the Weekly Standard's claim.
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He provided information that helped lead to the arrests of terrorists including Sayfullah Paracha and his son Uzair Paracha, businessmen who Khalid Shaykh Muhammad planned to use to smuggle explosives into the United States; Saleh Almari, a sleeper operative in New York; and Majid Khan, an operative who could enter the United States easily and was tasked to research attacks [redacted].
After waterboarding, KM provided a wealth of information. Before WB, not so much.
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All a moot point, now that the documents have come out, specifically the ones Cheney requested, that do indeed show how effective EIT were, especially with KSM. There is no denying it.
The report contradicts what FBI interrogator Ali Soufan wrote in April.
However, following the use of EITs, he provided information about his most current operational planning and [redacted] as opposed to the historical information he provided before the use of EITs.
Regarding Zubadaya;
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Since the use of the waterboard, however, Abu Zubaydah has appeared to be cooperative.
The whole goal of terrorism is to inspire so much fear that we abandon our way of life. Our principles as a nation. When Bush and Cheney tortured "detainees" we lost the moral high ground. The US is supposed to be better than the terrorists. The US is supposed to set the example to the rest of the World when it comes to basic human rights. Cheney made the US no better than Communist China or the former Soviet Union who engaged in the same behavior. Cheney and W should both be tried for war crimes. What do Pol Pot and George W Bush have in common? They both used waterboarding.
The Rights hero Sean Hannity backed out of being waterboarded after saying he would submit to waterboarding to prove it's not torture. Guess Hannity discovered you could actually die from being waterboarded?
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Originally Posted by sanrene
We didn't torture anyone.
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The terrorists win when we give into fear
