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I'm curious..Where was this townhall because you are the third poster to post this excat story?
Anyway, for every one that didn't like where they came from, there are many that enjoy it. Why should I listen to this ONE guy over everybody that seems extremely happy living wherever it is in Europe.
Indeed, America is seen by some as the haven for those who are anti-citizenship, anti-sharing of social costs, etc. It's like these clowns want to perpetually live in the 19th century, or worse.
I'm curious..Where was this townhall because you are the third poster to post this excat story?
Anyway, for every one that didn't like where they came from, there are many that enjoy it. Why should I listen to this ONE guy over everybody that seems extremely happy living wherever it is in Europe.
The townhall meeting was in Lakewood, WA with Rep Adam Smith at the Clover Park High School, from 7 - 9pm last night. Since you seem to think my story is suspect, why don't you link to the two other posters who have this exact story? Could it be there might be more than one immigrant attending more than one town hall meeting in this country? Is there anything else you'd like to know? My underwear color, perhaps? Would that help validate my story?
I think the deeper question we must ask is why do we live in a society that forces people to compete for basic survival with regard to food, shelter, and health?
That's just plain barbaric. Members of an evolved society would voluntarily provide the basic needs for all, regardless of how lazy or worthless they otherwise might be, and allow them to succeed or fail once such basic needs are met.
Your post reminds me of why America is failing and why it does not work anymore. The rugged individualism that built this country was based on a ethic of helping one's neighbor on the rugged frontier. We are on a new frontier, but the ethic should remain the same.
We have become narcissitic and selfish and we are dying because of it.
As the op of this thread, I agree with this post the most. I could have not said it better myself.
Because many of us started off at $19,000 a year, but worked our tails off to achieve more. To become the best at what we do and we're rewarded for it. Giving you money, just so you don't feel bad, isn't going to help you.
Success and wealth is a mindset. It's not a certain amount. If you sit there and feel sorry for yourself, or feel like you're going to be stuck where you're at, guess what...you'll never make it out of your hole.
What are your goals in life? With a name like "Las Vegas Drunk", I'm led to believe that you're more concerned with partying than being a big boy and becoming responsible for yourself. You're touting that you like to party, or that you're an alcoholic. Either of which isn't going to help you dig out of the hole you put yourself in.
Why should money be taken from those of us that have worked hard for it, and given to you who isn't doing anything to better themselves?
That'll give you a little extra money, and you'll blow it, putting yourself right back where you are. That's why so many lottery winners go broke so quickly. When you EARN something, you respect it more. When you're GIVEN something, you have no respect for it.
You don't DESERVE anything, so get off your tail, stop complaining and do something to better yourself. Be an adult and take responsibility for yourself. Stop worrying about what others can give you, and go get it your damn self.
On the other hand, this is the post I most disagree with. I can not give any rep points on this.
I think the deeper question we must ask is why do we live in a society that forces people to compete for basic survival with regard to food, shelter, and health?
That's just plain barbaric. Members of an evolved society would voluntarily provide the basic needs for all, regardless of how lazy or worthless they otherwise might be, and allow them to succeed or fail once such basic needs are met.
Your post reminds me of why America is failing and why it does not work anymore. The rugged individualism that built this country was based on a ethic of helping one's neighbor on the rugged frontier. We are on a new frontier, but the ethic should remain the same.
We have become narcissitic and selfish and we are dying because of it.
The productive members of society have not become more--selfish.
The meaning of the words--" food and shelter"-- have changed.
It used to be when people were down and out a soup line and homeless shelter was provided to meet basic needs to survive.
Today it's food stamps, welfare checks, section8 housing, and ACORN demanding poor people w/o money be allowed loans to buy a house.
If you want to use the word "selfish" , it is a double edged sword.
I would say the non productive members of society are selfish in raising their expectations as to what------- basic means-- constitutes .
In our country socialism is only offered to people and corporations that can afford to buy it from the government. We might not have affordable health care but the big banks have had their gambling debts erased. The rest of us got stuck with the losses. If I guess wrong on an investment why don’t I get bailed out but Big Bank does? That happens because the executives in Big Bank know who to talk to at the country club to avoid the embarrassment of bankrupting their company
I completely disagree with the people that think socialism is always a bad thing and suppresses hard work and creativity. I believe a system that provides physical and support for individuals that want to start their own businesses, develop their artistic talent or just operate a small shop in the backwoods some where would be better off if they did not have to beg for support from their families or suppress their creativity in order to feed themselves. I have to wonder just how many inventors have wasted their creative time driving a school bus just to stay sheltered. I know if I could have had some support I would have set up a small metal fabricating and hydraulic engineering shop and avoided the career path that provided enough money to live moderately well while boring me to distraction.
I also believe the society should support the halt, lame and insane veterans created by our imperial wars and heavily tax the industrialists otherwise profiting from those wars. To abandon veterans to the point they have to beg on the street brings incredible shame upon all of us.
Socialism is not universally a curse. It is an economic manifestation of the ideal that a society is more then I, me and mine. It is a system that considers Us, Ours and Them to be just as important.
Hmmmm so basically you want me to pay for your abilty to be creative.
That is funny we have all these inventions you know things like the light bulb etc with out your socialism. Movitation was hardwork and the reward from it. Socialism is profiting from the hardwork of others period and in a sense everytime the big bank gets a bailout you just supported it via socialism :-) Thanks for playing and welcome to the world I have been trying to tell you. Socialism to people or socialism via government to bank does not fix the problem. Your looking for "fairness" or in some way believe that in stealing from others is some how fair I'm confused.
We already have socialism in our country. The library, the police station, the firefighters, post office, etc. It's not really a terrible system if there is checks and balances to it. Also what makes any system bad is the people. People can be incompetent and abusive regardless of the system in place.
The productive members of society have not become more--selfish.
One's productivity is irrelevant to his opinion on social safety nets. There are highly productive people who support them, and there are lazy bums who oppose them.
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The meaning of the words--" food and shelter"-- have changed.
In what way?
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It used to be when people were down and out a soup line and homeless shelter was provided to meet basic needs to survive.
Soup lines and homeless shelters still provide these services.
Yes, because soup lines and homeless shelters are inadequate at providing these services to everyone, especially families that have temporarily fallen on hard times. The number of people who refuse to work out of laziness is so miniscule as to not warrant mention.
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and ACORN demanding poor people w/o money be allowed loans to buy a house.
Oh, give it up with ACORN already. According to some of you, ACORN is the most powerful organization the world has ever seen! ACORN demands, and the Republican controlled government bows down! What malarkey.
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If you want to use the word "selfish" , it is a double edged sword.
I would say the non productive members of society are selfish in raising their expectations as to what------- basic means-- constitutes .
Which non-productive members are you referring to? Single mothers? Parents who, through no fault of their own, have lost their jobs? How 'bout all those children receiving assistance? Put those six year olds to work!
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Marie Antoinette
I sincerely hope you did not call me a lazy drunk??? I work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. I have been working at the same company for 3 years now. If I was a lazy drunk, I would have been fired a long time ago. I simply asked how socialism is bad for a poor person, I never even said I supported it.
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