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That's just plain barbaric. Members of an evolved society would voluntarily provide the basic needs for all, regardless of how lazy or worthless they otherwise might be, and allow them to succeed or fail once such basic needs are met.
That's where a lot of people such as myself draw the line. If you're lazy and worthless you're only going to get more lazy and worthless as more is provided. You know hunger can be a pretty big motivator for those that are capable. Welfare should be for those in need, certainly it has a place in this society as people will inevitably have emergency situations that arise. Having said that the US is one of the most charitable countries in world, if someone is truly in need private organizations would certainly fill that gap and since the resources would most likely be scarcer those really in need would be the ones getting it.
That's where a lot of people such as myself draw the line. If you're lazy and worthless you're only going to get more lazy and worthless as more is provided. You know hunger can be a pretty big motivator for those that are capable. Welfare should be for those in need, certainly it has a place in this society as people will inevitably have emergency situations that arise. Having said that the US is one of the most charitable countries in world, if someone is truly in need private organizations would certainly fill that gap and since the resources would most likely be scarcer those really in need would be the ones getting it.
Who are these lazy bums I keep reading about? How many do you know? I don't know any.
The "lazy bums" is a phantom argument meant to instill anger in people. Virtually everyone who can work does work. Indeed, households today consist of two wage earners when only one was necessary a few decades ago.
When FDR made his sweeping changes, it was because no safety net existed.
(SS, enemployment compensation, FDIC, food stamps etc )
Today, politicians want to expand his well intended ideas of a safety net to where people get to maintain their same standard of living when a tragedy strikes or they lose their jobs.
We have come from no safety net, to FDR's safety net. to a painless society where the govt tries to ensure your standard of living.
We are going way beyond anything FDR was for--------------providing a safety net.
How would lawmakers, judges, police, court personnel and prosecutors earn a living if there are no taxes?
Her views are little bit more than my own but not too far off the mark. Certainly would need government for law enforcement, national defense and other things that should be done by a governing body. What we don't need is the ever increasing intrusion upon our lives of legislation, lawsuits, welfare, etc. It's about personal responsibility.
Here's a simple example of how government regulation can cost you money. One boiler manufacturer I'm aware of produces a boiler with or without a ASME stamp. They are exactly the same except....... the one with the stamp costs $2000 more. If you live in a state that requires this certification you're going to pay an extra $2K for it.
Who are these lazy bums I keep reading about? How many do you know? I don't know any.
The "lazy bums" is a phantom argument meant to instill anger in people. Virtually everyone who can work does work. Indeed, households today consist of two wage earners when only one was necessary a few decades ago.
You live under a rock? I don't know any personally because I don't associate with losers but I did encounter many of them through my business. Same thing every year, bring them their coal bought and paid for with my taxes. I once showed up at house about noon or so for an "emergency" grant which is intended for those where their heat is about to get cut off and the guy expected me to shovel the foot of snow out of his damn driveway so I could make the delivery. I left as he refused delivery anywhere else. He was so lazy he didn't even want to do half an hours work that was his responsibility to begin with for $250 worth of product that was going to keep him warm for two months, maybe he didn't want to get out of his pajamas which he was still wearing at noon.
Keep in mind any customer whether they were welfare or paying cash would have been told the same thing.
Her views are little bit more than my own but not too far off the mark. Certainly would need government for law enforcement, national defense and other things that should be done by a governing body. What we don't need is the ever increasing intrusion upon our lives of legislation, lawsuits, welfare, etc. It's about personal responsibility.
Here's a simple example of how government regulation can cost you money. One boiler manufacturer I'm aware of produces a boiler with or without a ASME stamp. They are exactly the same except....... the one with the stamp costs $2000 more. If you live in a state that requires this certification you're going to pay an extra $2K for it.
I don't necessarily disagree except for the usage of "intrusion upon our lives." That phrase has become a talking point, and as such, is devoid of meaning. It's now being used to describe anything one disagrees with. Laws are to be obeyed; they don't intrude on anyone, unless you happen to break one. Welfare intrudes only on the lives of those who are on it. Same with law suits.
I agree that some regulations are foolish, but others are necessary (health and safety).
Absolutely not. If the "lazy bums" argument was legitimate, I would have met at least a few people in my 52 years. I've known plenty of lazy people (I work with a few), but I've never met one who was on assistance. In my state anyway, people who refuse to work won't be on assistance for very long.
I have researched statistics, however, and they show that the majority of people on TANF are children. I'm guessing another good portion consists of those children's mothers. These "lazy bums getting free government handouts" has not been shown to be any significant number.
I do know a woman in section 8 housing who receives food stamps. I work with her. Can't call her a "lazy bum," especially since she accepts all the overtime offered. If the market is such a great thing, why can't this woman afford to raise her family even though she works upwards of 60 hrs. per week?
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I don't know any personally because I don't associate with losers but I did encounter many of them through my business. Same thing every year, bring them their coal bought and paid for with my taxes. I once showed up at house about noon or so for an "emergency" grant which is intended for those where their heat is about to get cut off and the guy expected me to shovel the foot of snow out of his damn driveway so I could make the delivery. I left as he refused delivery anywhere else. He was so lazy he didn't even want to do half an hours work for $250 worth of product that was going to keep him warm for two months, maybe he didn't want to get out of his pajamas which he was still wearing at noon.
Keep in mind any customer whether they were welfare or paying cash would have been told the same thing.
Your story indicates nothing in the grand scheme of things. One guy who won't get dressed does not indicate a serious nationwide problem.
Your story indicates nothing in the grand scheme of things. One guy who won't get dressed does not indicate a serious nationwide problem.
No but from my personal experience about 25% of the people I was serving on that program didn't deserve it. LIHEAP has a 5 billion price tag this year so if my estimates of my own customers carries over to a nationwide average that's $1.2 billion of waste.
No but from my personal experience about 25% of the people I was serving on that program didn't deserve it. LIHEAP has a 5 billion price tag this year so if my estimates of my own customers carries over to a nationwide average that's $1.2 billion of waste.
How do you know they don't deserve it? Just because someone receives assistance does not mean he is lazy, as I described with my coworker in the previous post.
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