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Originally Posted by saganista
Hmmm. Did you leave out the fact that the NUMMI plant in Fremont was a 50-50 joint venture with GM, and that GM was forced to pull out of its share of those operations as part of its bankruptcy proceedings? Gee, I think you did...
Originally Posted by shorebaby
Ummm forced I don't think so.
That's what I was reading.
OK my friend I pointed out that they were not forced by bankruptcy proceedings but chose to pull out of its share of NUMMI. If you looked at my other link you would have discovered the government determined what would be part of old GM and what would not. Not the court and not the creditors. Hence not forced.
ok, this thread has become shallow and meangingless.
Take a look at San Diego if you want to see what "good" Unions are doing. Every level of Govt is upside down due labor and wage agreements (aka Union extortion).
That's what I am saying, whoever is supervising the GM Bankruptcy blew it. Toyota Produces the Tacoma Truck there. They want to keep the plant open.
Toyota wasn't in bankruptcy. GM was. GM's share in NUMMI did not make it through the restructuring process. No doubt that in the best of all possible worlds, Toyota would have liked to see NUMMI continue. So would have GM. But thanks to gross economic blunders by a certain group of recent political leaders, we do not at all live in the best of all possible worlds. GM is gone from Fremont, and a bleeding Toyota doesn't see itself as strong enough to continue the operation on its own. End of story. Probably also the end of NUMMI.
ok, this thread has become shallow and meangingless.
Take a look at San Diego if you want to see what "good" Unions are doing. Every level of Govt is upside down due labor and wage agreements (aka Union extortion).
OK my friend I pointed out that they were not forced by bankruptcy proceedings but chose to pull out of its share of NUMMI. If you looked at my other link you would have discovered the government determined what would be part of old GM and what would not. Not the court and not the creditors. Hence not forced.
Forced. Not forced. You argue both. These seem to be mean the same thing to you.
Union members ARE the Union!
If they get pist off they should attend union meetings and voice their concerns. THAT is what a union is about. Don't belong to a Union?...Who ya gonna call?
Not always. In California, you can choose to not belong to the Union, but you still must pay Union dues. So the Union higher-ups have the money and power that goes along with it, but the working stiff has no right to voice concerns.
You apparently don't wish to participate in any actual debate of this aspect of the thread. All you have done since initiating it is duck and cover behind empty notional commentary such as the above.
ok, this thread has become shallow and meangingless.
Take a look at San Diego if you want to see what "good" Unions are doing. Every level of Govt is upside down due labor and wage agreements (aka Union extortion).
Great point. I think it's fair to say that there's a big difference between private business Unions, and government Unions.
Government Unions can clearly be seen to be detrimental to the economy.
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