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Old 08-31-2009, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Partisan bashing notwithstanding, let us be clear:
[Q] Are you in favor of absolute ownership property rights?
[] Yes
[] No

If that is too confusing, let me illustrate further.
Do you BELIEVE it is your right to absolutely own yourself, your labor and fruits of your labor?
If yes, you are in agreement with the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE and capitalism.

If no, you are in agreement with socialism, the collective ownership of people, their labor and output.
Socialism = piracy.
Socialism is based on taking property from one, to give to another, under threat of government's awesome power.

Socialism is anathema to America.

Since 1935, the U.S.A. has been a socialist nation, by the complex fraud of compulsory (voluntary) enrollment in FICA / Social Security.
Most Americans BELIEVE that it is mandatory. (Fraud and constructive fraud)
But there is no law compelling participation, nor punishing one who does not participate.
It is 100% voluntary - voluntary servitude. (If it were mandatory, it would be unconstitutional involuntary servitude)

Over 300 million Americans volunteers are "human resources" pledged as collateral on the national debt.

Interesting point - though it's 100% voluntary to enroll, when you ask the government for the official procedure to cancel your SSAN account, they will not answer.
(Do you hear faint sounds of "Hotel California" playing in the background?)

Since 1933, all sitting presidents, regardless of party affiliation, have maintained the STATE OF EMERGENCY that authorizes the abuse of the American people.

But you can't blame government - WE, the people, volunteered!
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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It's a sad but familiar phenom- in societies without access to objective news, people will often repeat propagnda verbatim.

HAHAHA!!! Coming from someone who JUST used the term astroturf. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Nope. I know things.

Yeah right. I love it when people get on the internet and try and infer they have a "connection" or "inside knowledge".

Anything you know almost certainly comes from the Daily KOS or the Huffington post.
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:56 PM
 
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HAHAHA!!! Coming from someone who JUST used the term astroturf. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!
Astroturf is a very real ploy used by those with money to appear to have popular support for an issue, when there is in truth very little.

The Town Hallers being a classic example.
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Old 08-31-2009, 08:14 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I think you are going to be somewhat surprised at what is going to happen.
What exactly is going to happen? The elections are going to be rigged?
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Old 09-02-2009, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Astroturf is a very real ploy used by those with money to appear to have popular support for an issue, when there is in truth very little.

The Town Hallers being a classic example.
What do you call the organizing and busing in of obama union supporters, acorn and the SEIU?

Their effort is the classic example of astroturfing.

The TH participants/protesters are "real" people.
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Old 09-02-2009, 08:34 AM
 
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What do you call the organizing and busing in of obama union supporters, acorn and the SEIU?

Their effort is the classic example of astroturfing.

The TH participants/protesters are "real" people.

I call that only a small portion of the overwhelming public support for a Public Option seen at Town Halls in states outside the South- states Obama carried.
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Old 09-02-2009, 08:48 AM
 
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Interesting piece (colored- of course, by Disney TV) on Obama's "Slide" in daily tracking polls:

Seems Obama's slide in such devices is the second-greatest post-WWII (an interesting statement by formerly discredited newsboy (propagandaboy) Jake ('In the crapper") Tapper (see the Sanford Affair for further info) as scientific polling did not begin until JFK) slide among all Prezs, topped only by Bill Clinton.

In contrast, two most stable- BushI and II.

And that tells the story about "Daily Tracking Polls", and the lack of utility thereof.

Bush I and II hold the record for having the greatest loss of all-time popularity (as measured by election-day polls) in History!

Bush I, to refresh memories was a one-termer; Bush II had one of the the narrowest re-election margins since the 1890's. And that took stealing Ohio (Kenneth Blackwell? Reversed vote totals?) to even get that result.

And then the GOP paid in Nov, 2008.

Meanwhile, Clinton was a two-termer, of course.

I personaly didn't care for the man, but the record shows his was an overall (in the lowered standards of the past 3 decades) sucessful Presidency.

Record is still out on what Obama's results will be.

Difference is, this 767 called the USA was at a higher altitude; had more air uner her, then.

Whereas now, we've hit the ground.
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Old 09-02-2009, 10:33 AM
 
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you have to love these GOP biased polls
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