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Old 09-01-2009, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Near the water
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Whirlpool is leaving to increase their bottom line. The burden of providing healthcare to its employees certainly has a huge impact on the bottom line. In Mexico, corporations do not have to provide health insurance as a benefit.

The mass exodus of American jobs to other countries will continue as long as they have the burden of paying for employees healthcare here.


You are incorrect...they are not leaving this country to keep from paying health benefits in this country. They are leaving to pad their own pockets. If it was the benefits that were in fact issue they would continue to pay the taxes they should instead of cashing in on the tax breaks they are getting.

Employers in this country have the option of not offering benefits. And for that matter, the ones that do offer it only pay a small portion of the costs.

So, NO...that is not why they are leaving. It is simply GREED.
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Old 09-01-2009, 05:00 PM
 
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Please don't ever apply for an upper management position. Things will not go well for you.



You might get surprised....
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Old 09-01-2009, 05:02 PM
 
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When a company in this country, moves off shore and leaves our very own jobless all for the mighty dollar, they ARE selling this country down the river.

Corporate greed and padding their own pockets is way more important to them than doing what is right for the little guy. How are you NOT understanding that?

I don't care if you make dishwashers, pencils or potato chips if you care about the country that put you where you are today then by damn take care of it and keep the jobs here and fore go your large bonuses with perks..... they don't do without so why should a decent American?
Absolutely right! What some people here posting do not seem able to comprehend is that if these obscene trade agreements are renegotiated, it will again level the playing field for American businesses and American labor. It is beyond unpatriotic to allow to happen what is happening to manufacturing and the working class in this country. This is cycle that has to be stopped.
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Old 09-01-2009, 05:04 PM
 
Location: mancos
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let them go broke in the countrys they are moving to and good riddance
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Old 09-01-2009, 05:41 PM
 
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This makes no sense. You are telling me that corporations are moving to Texas because of their panacea tort reform!

Besides, Texas has one of the worst healthcare systems in the country!

Not quite - health care costs were being argued as a reason jobs were leaving America. So if one believes that, then one must get serious about tort reform as that will have the most immiediate impact on cutting overall health care costs. Texas initiated serious tort reform five years ago and have since reduced its health care costs by about 20%, as well as enjoying a significant increase in the numbers of doctors coming to Texas to practice - meaning lower cost and increased choice for Texans.

That being said, health care cost is far from the only reason businesses are leaving America - it is because government has become increasingly anti-business. The cost of doing business in America is why jobs are leaving. Get government off of the back of business and far greater job growth and opportunity will result.

It is actually very simple - but politicians manage to make it far more complicated, for complication breeds entitlement and entitlement breeds slavery.

There is a certain irony to that - the first half black American president is attempting to initiate policies that will enslave the greatest number of Americans in the history of the Republic...
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Old 09-01-2009, 06:04 PM
 
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New Trade Policy Needed to Promote Manufacturing at Home

Kearns said, “The only lasting way out of this deep economic crisis for the country and the entire world is for Americans to produce more at home and consume less from abroad. That means combating predatory foreign trade practices, whether our trading partners like it or not. Their free ride has to end if the American and global economies are to resume sustainable growth. Anything less would merely create a new worldwide economic bubble that bursts with even more devastating consequences in the not-too-distant future. Either President Obama puts a halt to America’s over-consumption of subsidized foreign goods with over-borrowed foreign cash, or his recovery plan fails. It’s that simple.”

New Trade Policy Needed to Promote Manufacturing at Home
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Old 09-01-2009, 06:12 PM
 
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Are you freakin' kidding me? The company's owners are trying to not to go belly-up. Whirlpool isn't making the record profits the big dogs like GE (one of Obama's favs ) are making. They aren't trying to sell American down the river, they are tryng to survive. I don't even know where you're pulling your "owners are than anti-American" and "refuses to invest.." crap from. How are you not comprehending this?

You obviously have no idea how to operate a business from a fiscal aspect. You just want to hate. Well, hate all you want. But you're looking rather foolish in doing so.
We Can’t Afford To Ignore Unfair Trade

Foreign countries like China are cheating when it comes to international trade. They are tilting the trade scales in their favor by using unfair tactics such as subsidies, currency manipulation and dumping. And they are getting away with it, because trade laws that would hold China and other offending countries accountable are not being enforced. That is ruining our own economy and contributing to massive job losses - 49,000 a month in American manufacturing alone.

USW: We Can’t Afford To Ignore Unfair Trade

New Trade Policy Needed to Promote Manufacturing at Home

New Trade Policy Needed to Promote Manufacturing at Home
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Old 09-01-2009, 06:21 PM
 
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We Can’t Afford To Ignore Unfair Trade
Foreign countries like China are cheating when it comes to international trade. They are tilting the trade scales in their favor by using unfair tactics such as subsidies, currency manipulation and dumping.
Don't forget the pernicious influence of the U.S. government.
[] Socialist taxes and overhead inflate the cost of American goods and services.
[] All taxes migrate to the retail price of American made goods and services, where the real taxpayer is the guy making the last retail transaction.
[] Imports, which do not have hidden taxes inflating their prices, are thus subsidized by our insane tax system.

Assuming that tomorrow, all taxes, administrative overhead, and socialist regulations were removed from American industry and labor, how low could they drop their prices?

_ 10 % ?
_ 20 % ?
_ 30 % ?
(We know that 15.65% would be reasonable, with the end of SocSec withholding. Add 19%, in general, for the individual income tax.)
_ 34% AT LEAST

Now, what happens to a business that finds it's overhead expenses are cut 34% (buying local goods and services)?

Depending on how much that overhead is part of his retail price - let's say another 10%.
_ 44%

OH, JOY - - - feed that reduction into the economy and perhaps another 5% drop could occur.
_ 49% - almost 50% reduction in prices.

Who knows how far we can drive down prices once tax shift inflation is removed from Americans?

But let's be clear - the No. 1 culprit destroying America's industry and labor is the U.S. government - not any foreign nation.
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Old 09-01-2009, 06:24 PM
 
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And the wealth gap will continue to get wider. Good times.
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Old 09-01-2009, 06:48 PM
 
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CK's other half ...

Want to influence the insanity in trade policies, both domestic and abroad?

1. Stay out of walmart. The savings you perceive you're reaping today is your undoing tomorrow.
2. Buy American products/services when and where you can. Yes, it will cost a bit more, but you're saving your job and standard of living.

A real life example ... we needed a new desk stapler. My father had a Swingline on his desk for as long as I can remember. So, off to an office supply store. Every swingline we looked at had the following as country of manufacture: "Made in china to exacting US standards." Nice try, swingline, we ain't falling for it.

We looked on that electronic bidding web site everybody loves and found a person who had bought trainloads of Skilcraft staplers excess to the needs of the US Government. On the label, it clearly said: "Made in the USA". We paid $5 plus a nominal shipping fee for 2 staplers.

It can be done but it takes time, commitment, and a rejecting of the selfish hooray for me and to hell with everybody else.

Granted, some US made goods are difficult and sometimes impossible to find. It's decision time at that point.

If everyone practiced that, imagine what would begin to happen to chicom containers sitting idle at US ports. BTW, 1 container from the chicoms bound for walmart arrives at US ports every forty-five seconds. Think about it.
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