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From Oz's website: Guard dogs have long been used in Europe, but their success depends on the shepherding techniques in those countries. Shepherds remain with the flocks and work with the dogs to protect the stock. In the United States, where livestock often move unattended, guard dogs have not been shown to reduce depredation by wolves. ....For example, a 1000 acre farm in Wisconsin is considerably smaller than a ranch in Montana where cattle or sheep are grazing in a multi-square-mile tract of pasture... To put depredation in perspective, in 1986 the wolf population was at about 1,300-1,400, there were an estimated 232,000 cattle and 16,000 sheep in Minnesota's wolf range. During that year 26 cattle, about 0.01% of the cattle available, and 13 sheep, around 0.08% of the sheep available, were verified as being killed by wolves. Similarly, in 1996 an estimated 68,000 households owned dogs in wolf range and only 10, approximately 0.00015% of the households, experienced wolf depredation. None-the-less, depredation can be an emotional and costly issue for some livestock and pet owners.
At the bottom of that page, there is also a spreadsheet showing the Defenders of Wildlife's compensation payments for wolf depredation in the last decade.
Wolf Depredation (http://www.wolf.org/wolves/learn/intermed/inter_mgmt/defenders_comp.asp - broken link)
In some ways, wolf "management" reminds me of how mustangs are dealt with.
Seemingly, they are pests that interfere with profit.
Maintaining the ecosystem, wading through bureaucracy, and keeping everyone happy is, at present, a journey through uncharted waters.
Some wolves are going to have to be shot, some mustangs are going to have to be sterilized and/or rounded up.
Completely eradicating a species would, IMHO, diminish *us* as a species.
No-one is calling for the complete eradication of a species that I see,that is simply scare tactics by the wolf supporters...who do not have to suffer the losses caused by predators.
From Oz's website: Guard dogs have long been used in Europe, but their success depends on the shepherding techniques in those countries. Shepherds remain with the flocks and work with the dogs to protect the stock. In the United States, where livestock often move unattended, guard dogs have not been shown to reduce depredation by wolves. ....For example, a 1000 acre farm in Wisconsin is considerably smaller than a ranch in Montana where cattle or sheep are grazing in a multi-square-mile tract of pasture... To put depredation in perspective, in 1986 the wolf population was at about 1,300-1,400, there were an estimated 232,000 cattle and 16,000 sheep in Minnesota's wolf range. During that year 26 cattle, about 0.01% of the cattle available, and 13 sheep, around 0.08% of the sheep available, were verified as being killed by wolves. Similarly, in 1996 an estimated 68,000 households owned dogs in wolf range and only 10, approximately 0.00015% of the households, experienced wolf depredation. None-the-less, depredation can be an emotional and costly issue for some livestock and pet owners.
At the bottom of that page, there is also a spreadsheet showing the Defenders of Wildlife's compensation payments for wolf depredation in the last decade.
Wolf Depredation (http://www.wolf.org/wolves/learn/intermed/inter_mgmt/defenders_comp.asp - broken link)
In some ways, wolf "management" reminds me of how mustangs are dealt with.
Seemingly, they are pests that interfere with profit.
Maintaining the ecosystem, wading through bureaucracy, and keeping everyone happy is, at present, a journey through uncharted waters.
Some wolves are going to have to be shot, some mustangs are going to have to be sterilized and/or rounded up.
Completely eradicating a species would, IMHO, diminish *us* as a species.
This is pretty much the scenario re: the Gray Wolf:
Powerful ranching interests who want to use public land for private gain, plus guys who just like killing things (remember the blood lust exhibited when we pushed aside the wolf, cougar, bear, and became the apex predator in this land?) are using "low information" folks to try to whip-up hysteria.
Why am I not surprised that some people fail to understand the concept of a complete eco-system which includes large predators? Wolves and other large predators keep deer and other prey populations in check. Without them deer, elk, etc populations explode which results in the spread of disease and poor genetics. It is so very odd the way that Republicans are so out of touch with nature and the "real" world. These same people deny climate change. Yet anyone who lives close to nature knows it's real and happening now.
This is pretty much the scenario re: the Gray Wolf:
Powerful ranching interests who want to use public land for private gain, plus guys who just like killing things (remember the blood lust exhibited when we pushed aside the wolf, cougar, bear, and became the apex predator in this land?) are using "low information" folks to try to whip-up hysteria.
No that is not the case at all but it does help your cause to spread the lie...
Could you provide ANY evidence that this is being proposed??
"The only thing people will remember from this article is Montana's top wolf official saying, "you either eliminate all the wolves or you eliminate all the livestock."
"The only thing people will remember from this article is Montana's top wolf official saying, "you either eliminate all the wolves or you eliminate all the livestock."
You 'forgot' the preceding sentence...
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Without hunting or another means to manage wolves, she added
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