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Old 09-02-2009, 01:07 PM
 
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Uhmmm If Clinton was so loved? Then why all the attacks against US assets while he was the president?
Lets also not forget that 911 was planned and hatched under his watch.
The answer is the same as it will be for Obama. Terrorists look at overly friendly people as weak.

Clinton was the most liked U.S. president internationally, whether you like it or not. Whether it was perfection or not makes little difference, he was very much liked. Traveling abroad, his visits would always have huge popularity to people. No other president had the same welcome.
What really eggs terrorists on is how media here portray constant american fear of a reapeat 9/11. They love this kind of advertisement and fear of them. Makes them appear more powerful.

Exactly why 911 happens, who will truly know. There's different theories for 911. CIA calls actions like this "blowback", meaning they are counter-attacks for our own interference in other nations' business. Some blame the U.S. constant funding and weapon sales to Israel as the cause, since this is a really sour issue in the middle east.

Actually, some conflicts seem more related to G W Bush senior. During Bush juniors rule both UK and French soldiers reported in local media they had Bin Laden within shooting range several times on separate occasions a few weeks apart, and sought permission from the U.S. military to kill him. They never got approval or a clear response from the U.S. military. Why?

Meddling, meddling, meddling:
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On the morning of September 11th, 2001, Dick Cheney was running several war games in the north eastern portion of the United States. Why? These drills included many hijacking scenarios, where commercial jets were hijacked and flown into buildings. At the same time Cheney had arranged for a drill involving a bio attack on NY. This resulted in FEMA setting up a command post on pier 29 in New York on September 10th.
Why? There are so many questions.
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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Obama has made a special effort since taking office to repair U.S. relations with the world's Muslims, including visits to Turkey and Cairo. In a June speech at the Egyptian capital, as well as in one to another important Muslim audience, in Turkey, Obama said: "America is not -- and never will be -- at war with Islam."

Obama also released a video message to Muslims before the start to Ramadan. In the video, he said Ramadan's rituals are a reminder of the principles Muslims and Christians have in common,including advancing justice, progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.

Obama Praises Islam as 'Great Religion' - Political News - FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/01/obama-calls-islam-great-religion-ramadan-dinner/ - broken link)
So what if he did?
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:11 PM
 
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No ... but I am not familiar with that "song"?

Not sure what it proves either?
You seem to be stone dead.
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Islam and Christianity are niether violent religions. It is because of the actions of a very small amount of people in these religons that they are viewed as violent.

Islam has extremests, so does Christianity. Its funny that people say that Islam is violent, but deny that Christianity is. Both have a violent past. I do recall some dude in Germany that extermenated millions of Jews and was a Christian. I recall another group of people who terrorized blacks, jews, gays, latinos, and labor unions who wore bed sheets, burned crosses, and murdered on more than a bunch of occasions.

Of course you guys are aware of the violence caused by extremest muslims in recent history.

Jesus teached peace and forgiveness, in the Quaran it states that to murder one innocent soul is to kill humanity.

What you yahoos need to realize is that most Christians and Muslims are Peaceful people. Its that small faction that makes it miserable for the rest of them. I am a Christain myself and one of my best friends is a muslim. We both feel the same way.
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:19 PM
 
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That's not it at all, I'm not religious one bit, but I personally think Islam is a very violent religion. More so than any other in current times.
Then you are IGNORANT. You need to pick up a book and learn about something before you assert an opinion. You clearly know nothing about it. Islam is not at ALL inherently violent. There are Muslims who happen to be violent extremists, but they are a SMALL minority.

What about splinter sects of christianity -cults a la David Koresh? Because they were violent does that make christianity violent? what about the numerous "Holy Wars" fought in the name of the church throughout history - does that make Christianity a "very violent religion" too?

A wise man knows what he does not know. And keeps his mouth shut.
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:24 PM
 
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Islam and Christianity are niether violent religions. It is because of the actions of a very small amount of people in these religons that they are viewed as violent.

Jesus teached peace and forgiveness, in the Quaran it states that to murder one innocent soul is to kill humanity.
But that no non-muslim is innocent and you will be rewarded for killing those unwilling to convert.

The Talmud reads about the same way about the Goyim or gentile.

The Koran and the Talmud are both books of fear and hate.

No such written crap in Christian dogma.
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:26 PM
 
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That's not it at all, I'm not religious one bit, but I personally think Islam is a very violent religion. More so than any other in current times.
Nice try at backpedaling. First of all, you made the most ignorant assumption I've seen on here in awhile that ALL muslims who follow the koran kill a family member. I'm sorry, that's about as backwards as one can get. And now you're making the assumption that islam is a violent religion. Do you have a clue as to how the world works...at all? Blame the individual, not the religion. I bet you're of the school that "it's not guns that kill people....it's people that kill people". Why don't you take that little bit of priceless logic & use it towards islam. Honestly, how do some on here function in day to day life?
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:27 PM
 
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At least he's not openly preaching the greatness of marxism. Yet. Or maybe he has but not often. Hey, radicalism, extremism, fascism, socialism, its all good with Obama.
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:28 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Then you are IGNORANT. You need to pick up a book and learn about something before you assert an opinion. You clearly know nothing about it. Islam is not at ALL inherently violent. There are Muslims who happen to be violent extremists, but they are a SMALL minority.

What about splinter sects of christianity -cults a la David Koresh? Because they were violent does that make christianity violent? what about the numerous "Holy Wars" fought in the name of the church throughout history - does that make Christianity a "very violent religion" too?

A wise man knows what he does not know. And keeps his mouth shut.
Like I said, it is a very violent religion, they kill their own family members for "defecting" from the religion. Sharia law punishes women and jails them for being raped. Put that in your pipe and smoke it old wise one.
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Over the Rainbow...
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Obama has made a special effort since taking office to repair U.S. relations with the world's Muslims, including visits to Turkey and Cairo. In a June speech at the Egyptian capital, as well as in one to another important Muslim audience, in Turkey, Obama said: "America is not -- and never will be -- at war with Islam."

Obama also released a video message to Muslims before the start to Ramadan. In the video, he said Ramadan's rituals are a reminder of the principles Muslims and Christians have in common,including advancing justice, progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.

Obama Praises Islam as 'Great Religion' - Political News - FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/01/obama-calls-islam-great-religion-ramadan-dinner/ - broken link)


Yes I suppose it is a great religion as long as you agree with them and if you don't off goes your head...hmm...yeah real good religion. I noted the various posts about how peaceful some of them are so don't really care to hear soapboxes about this. Yes I've known a few Muslims (one was a female doing a Residency at a hospital I worked for). She was a nice lady but could tell you absolute horror stories of the lack of respect for females and just what happens when you cross them.

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