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Old 09-02-2009, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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I consider myself neither a Democrat or a Republican. I am neither a liberal or a conservative. I find both sides to be rather repulsive and not working in the best interests of the common person. Our entire American society is in bad shape until we see political discussion as something more than kill-or-be-killed warfare we have today. (EDIT: Fixed a typo)
Agree 100% with the first two and a half sentences. I differ in that I think that the common person is an ignorant clod. The common people are the corrupters of politics, not the other way around.

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Politics now is not about improving America and keeping it a free nation, it is just a game of king of the mountain. One with all the power and money wins. Our elections are nothing more than popularity contests. And the politicians openly lie, cheat, do whatever it takes in order to get money, power, influence, win elections.
True, but politics has been a circus act since the first cave man jumped on a boulder and gave a speech warning against allowing the neighboring tribe to acquire pointy sticks of mass destruction. This is nothing new.

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Both sides are guilty of doing roughly the same things. Convincing the others side is pure evil and completely wrong, incapable of compromise or reasoning. Silence the opposition, or reduce them to nothing - as if they bring much to the table in the first place. The left and the right are no better than each other.
Depends on how you define the left and the right. I can't blame either side for playing tough: there's a lot at stake. But despite not classifying myself as a person of the left or the right, I would MUCH rather tolerate the folly of the "left" than the psychotic sadism and contempt for human life that characterizes the "right".

There have been times and places in history in which I would have drawn the opposite conclusion: in America between the World Wars, for example, it was the right that, by and large, took the principled position of neutrality, and the left that was mainly out snarling for blood. And most of the left still holds on for dear life to the mythology of America saving the world from totalitarianism.

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The more I think about it, there is no reason for me to vote. Neither party, nor any candidate, represents me or the good of the American people.
The American people need to take a long hard look in the mirror and realize they're the problem.
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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The leader of your movement hangs out with Neo Nazis and you complain about other parties having issues?
Doc, I have no idea what you are talking about,is that just your opinion or do you have proof.
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:36 PM
 
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That's not true because I'm all about cleaning up the Democratic Party to make it better. Not switching parties. That is easy.

The PROBLEM is better people need to start running for office~
yeah but what good person wants to do that crap, you have to have a complex to want to be involved in politics. The good people are all at the non-profits, which doesn't jive well with politics.... you know with that whole non-profit thing. No money, no power.
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:40 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Well at least it seems that most don't like either side. That is comforting. I, like many above, do not see myself as Republican or Democrat. I am more of a minimalist/libertarian type. I will admit that I lean more Republican fiscally. Dems are just way too marxist for me to even take seriously.

Overall though, yes, both parties suck. The Democrats are scary socialist/communists hell bent on creating their "enlightened" eutopias through government force and threat. Like FDR trying everything he could to emulate his buddy Stalin. The Republicans have become "socialist-lite". They are nothing more than the slightly less scary alternative to the far left kooks. Besides, they still cling to Lincoln. Yuk! The idiot who ended the United States through the bloody Federal Coup that we call the Civil War. (Federal Republic ended and Federal Regime began )

I like Ron Paul. He makes too much sense for the red populace that we now have in this country though. Amerikans don't even know who the Rothschilds and friends are much less have the stomach to oust the chosen family that they so lovingly serve.
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Pa
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That's not true because I'm all about cleaning up the Democratic Party to make it better. Not switching parties. That is easy.

The PROBLEM is better people need to start running for office~
No the problem is that people need to hold their elected reps accountable. That means not voting for the same bum time and again.
Party loyalty is part of the problem. I might hate him but at least he is a fill in the party . Its this mentality that ensures change will never happen.
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Old 09-02-2009, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Quiet Corner Connecticut
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No the problem is that people need to hold their elected reps accountable. That means not voting for the same bum time and again.
Party loyalty is part of the problem. I might hate him but at least he is a fill in the party . Its this mentality that ensures change will never happen.
It is a sad state of fact.

I live in Connecticut, where just having a D next to your name means you get elected. And then 99 percent of the time, the Democratic party just throws an incumbent out there because well... why test fate and go against a winner? The only time I ever saw otherwise was Ned Lamont beating Joe Lieberman, and then all the Republicans voted for Lieberman instead.

That Lamont/Lieberman race really shows me, for all the game they talk - both sides are not really all that different from one another. They just have different favorite plays coming out of the same playbook.
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Old 09-02-2009, 08:26 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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No the problem is that people need to hold their elected reps accountable. That means not voting for the same bum time and again.
Party loyalty is part of the problem. I might hate him but at least he is a fill in the party . Its this mentality that ensures change will never happen.
I don't do it that way. I'm going to continue the tradition this cycle and do the same thing. The difference is that there's nobody that represents me, so I'm going to vote against all incumbents.
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Old 09-02-2009, 09:34 PM
 
Location: SC
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I agree. Right now especially there are no redeeming qualities of either major party. We really have one party with two heads. We also have a media that wants us to THINK we really have two choices in one of the other party.

What I would like to see is all of the third parties join together so we have a real choice. In fact if ANY of the third party candidates had by a fluke been elected, the country would be FAR better off that it is right now.

They all have the basics in common. They all believe in fiscal responsibillity. They believe in the Constitution and the bill of rights. They'd be in favor of repealing the Patriot Act. That alone is a pretty good start and should be enough to get HUGE support from Americans who have to finally be waking up at this hour and realizing they've been lied to and should be getting mad enough to not be willing to take the lies anymore.
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Old 09-02-2009, 10:37 PM
 
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Is anyone else like me?

I consider myself neither a Democrat or a Republican. I am neither a liberal or a conservative. I find both sides to be rather repulsive and not working in the best interests of the common person. Our entire American society is in bad shape until we see political discussion as something more than kill-or-be-killed warfare we have today. (EDIT: Fixed a typo)

Politics now is not about improving America and keeping it a free nation, it is just a game of king of the mountain. One with all the power and money wins. Our elections are nothing more than popularity contests. And the politicians openly lie, cheat, do whatever it takes in order to get money, power, influence, win elections.

Both sides are guilty of doing roughly the same things. Convincing the others side is pure evil and completely wrong, incapable of compromise or reasoning. Silence the opposition, or reduce them to nothing - as if they bring much to the table in the first place. The left and the right are no better than each other.

The more I think about it, there is no reason for me to vote. Neither party, nor any candidate, represents me or the good of the American people.

The longer this madness keeps going, it's a question of when the second civil war starts. Not if, but when and who starts it. And of course, there will be scum of the earth which profit heavily off of it too - those are the ones who will likely be pushing the hardest for it.
You are correct

I, like you are among the free thinkers who think that both parties are against America
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Old 09-02-2009, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The major problem with the Republicrats is that their leftist agenda is barely distinguishable from the Demopublicans.

Remember that pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, America's governments are instituted to secure inalienable rights to life, liberty and private property ownership.

The 20th century, and now, the 21st century, Congress has been steadily marching the nation to a socialist police state.

When was the last time Congress passed any statute that secured one's absolute ownership, or one's liberty or one's right to life?

The majority of their efforts are devoted to "managing", i.e., to rob the public treasury, bribing their way to more power at the expense of the people.

An example of the pre-socialist inalienable rights:
Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
In contrast, let us examine the opposite of American Ideals.
From the Communist manifesto: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
Most Americans would be surprised to learn that private property rights were abolished by voluntary enrollment into national socialism (aka Socialist InSecurity). Since 1935, the U.S. government has been LEFTIST, whether Demopublican or Republicrat.
PRIVATE PROPERTY - "As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217
If the government takes your property for public use - and does not pay just compensation - then you have absolute proof that you do not own private property anymore.

That's why it matters little which party is in power - both horses in the race are running on the left side of the track.
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