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Have felt like this for years and years. I was a government major in college (with a concentration on political theory) and what it taught me was that I hate politics...and that the government system we have now is a far cry from what the founding fathers had envisioned when forming it. Is that for better or worse, I dunno, but it's nothing like what they believed in.
Frankly, politics is becoming like religion, just another reason for someone to hate someone else.
Unlike religion, there are very real and immediate consequences to politics, since it is all an argument about who to use violence against and why.
Very disheartening, and yet we have to keep fighting, if for no other reason than to defend ourselves when that spinning gun points at us.
It *is* voluntary, there is no punishment for it, but if you are enrolled, it is extremely difficult if not impossible to get out. Most people are enrolled at birth, and thus *never* get the opportunity to research, discover, and make an informed decision regarding Social Security. It is a tragedy of missed opportunity and parental responsibility that our kids are enrolled in this program without consent for a farking tax break, and an even greater travesty that the government encourages and pressures it.
...and that the government system we have now is a far cry from what the founding fathers had envisioned when forming it. Is that for better or worse, I dunno, but it's nothing like what they believed in.
“All law is the protection of property rights, all else is policy, and policy requires consent.”
Or, as the Declaration of Independence puts it:
Job #1 = secure rights,
Job #2 = govern those who consent.
If you don’t know how you gave consent to be governed, you won’t know how government has power over you.
Hint: Your signature on the application for an account with Socialist InSecurity, and your signature upon the Bank account application, wherein you agree to the rules of the BANK.
Another example of the beliefs of the founding generation.
Virginia Constitution. 1776
SEC. 6. That elections of members to serve as representatives of the people, in assembly, ought to be free; and that all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common interest with, and attachment to, the community, have the right of suffrage, and cannot be taxed or deprived of their property for public uses, without their own consent, or that of their representatives so elected*, nor bound by any law to which they have not, in like manner, assembled, for the public good.
All men ... cannot be taxed without their own consent.
All men ... cannot be deprived of their property for public uses without their own consent.
All men ... cannot be bound by any law that is not for the public good.
(* those who exercise political liberty and vote, are bound, but the other men who have not consented are not bound.)
Remember, if you haven't consented, you aren't their subject.
In the past, I would have agreed that partisan political action would resolve the problem.
But since the heart of the dilemma is our own consent, via voluntary participation in national socialism, it matters little.
Until enough Americans awaken to that fact, and cease consenting, the predators will hold the reins of power.
What really frightens the status quo is this little known fact:
There is NO LAW that compels all Americans to enroll into Social Security and NO LAW punishing those who do not. It is 100% voluntary - voluntary servitude.
When Americans stop participating, and leave SocSec, the game is up.
Without our consent and participation, the Congress loses 99% of its power, revenue and influence. The banksters lose their puppet. And the whole house of cards comes crashing down.
Why?
Because when over 300 million people learn that they have been used as "human resources" pledged as collateral to underwrite the national debt, and that they had sold themselves and their children into servitude, it won't be pretty.
So if I understand you correctly - I'm paying taxes for no reason? If I didn't want to lose 7 point whatever percent out of my paycheck, I could just say no more and jump through the hoops and stop doing it?
Let's face it - I am 24 years old and will likely never see a dime out of Medicare or Social Security. The programs would likely be exhaused (or outrageously expensive) by the time I retire. So what would be the point of me paying for this if I'm never going to get any benefit out of it?
“All law is the protection of property rights, all else is policy, and policy requires consent.”
Or, as the Declaration of Independence puts it:
Job #1 = secure rights,
Job #2 = govern those who consent.
If you don’t know how you gave consent to be governed, you won’t know how government has power over you.
Hint: Your signature on the application for an account with Socialist InSecurity, and your signature upon the Bank account application, wherein you agree to the rules of the BANK.
Another example of the beliefs of the founding generation.
Virginia Constitution. 1776
SEC. 6. That elections of members to serve as representatives of the people, in assembly, ought to be free; and that all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common interest with, and attachment to, the community, have the right of suffrage, and cannot be taxed or deprived of their property for public uses, without their own consent, or that of their representatives so elected*, nor bound by any law to which they have not, in like manner, assembled, for the public good.
All men ... cannot be taxed without their own consent.
All men ... cannot be deprived of their property for public uses without their own consent.
All men ... cannot be bound by any law that is not for the public good.
(* those who exercise political liberty and vote, are bound, but the other men who have not consented are not bound.)
Remember, if you haven't consented, you aren't their subject.
Above is not quite what i was referring to but certainly true, here are a few other points to consider:
1. The "founding fathers" would keel over if they knew we only had two political parties, 230+ years later.
2. Thomas Jefferson believed in full on revolution every 20 yrs.
3. I would bet that if any of them knew that we were still using the Constitution as they wrote it, some 220+ years later, they would also likely either die of laughter or have a coronary.
I'm not saying any of this is for the better or worse, just that it burns me up when people try to attribute so much to "what the founding fathers" wanted for this country. Have you actually studied in depth the roots of American Political Thought at that time? If no...then stop espousing what YOU think American stands for.
Last edited by arielmina; 09-04-2009 at 06:41 PM..
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