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View Poll Results: What's your opinion of home schooling?
In favor 124 49.21%
Not in Favor 76 30.16%
Don't care 52 20.63%
Voters: 252. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-03-2009, 06:01 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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nononsenseguy. I read that you sister is a teacher. So I guess you do know one teacher, but I still strongly disagree with your comment.
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Old 09-03-2009, 06:31 PM
 
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Okay, I have to step in here. Do you know what I'm teaching on tomorrow? The rise of the Persian Empire, and a work by Maya Angelou. Now, what in the HELL does that have to do with liberal indoctrination???? Tell me Mr. Homeschool genius, since you're obviously such an expert on how public schools work.

Do you honestly think I'm rubbing my hands over my laptop every night thinking about how I can maliciously brainwash children to become godless socialists by teaching them about Persia? And Greece? By teaching them how to read and write well??? Really?! No union tells me what to teach! Hell I live in a non-union state!

I and many, many teachers entered the profession to give kids a decent education, and it's people like you who do nothing but bit--er--complain about "liberal" public schools, when you have no clue about them aside from what you might hear from rightwing fanatics. People like you put down hardworking teachers and the students they teach, most of whom you have never met. How nice.

I'm not a manipulator. I'm not a brainwasher, I'm an educator. Get it right!

It's not the teacher, it's the prussion "let's train a nation of factory workers!" methodology.
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Old 09-03-2009, 06:38 PM
 
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Most parents I know are certainly not qualified to teach gnats never mind children. .
Still preferable to the incompetents serving as government school teachers these days.
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Old 09-03-2009, 06:41 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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It's not the teacher, it's the prussion "let's train a nation of factory workers!" methodology.
Then why don't you people say that? Instead you say crap like this:

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Still preferable to the incompetents serving as government school teachers these days.
Not you personally per se. But people on your side of the aisle.
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Old 09-03-2009, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Hades
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Home schooling belongs on the list of education options- absolutely!!! As an educator who has worked in public and private schools, I'd be excited to add to the list the experience of working in a home school. A lot of kids end up in the public school system and it just doesn't work for them, just as some home schooled kids perhaps wish they could be in "regular" schools. There's a strong home school movement in many countries on our planet, ripe with magazine publications and dedicated networks of parents and educators. Definitely a movement to pay attention to if you're interested in "alternative" schooling.
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Old 09-03-2009, 07:33 PM
 
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It's probably a heck of a lot better than actually going to school. I remember going to school was so boring.
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Old 09-03-2009, 07:52 PM
 
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I think my son's public education is comparable to any private education and certainly better than I could do at home.
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Old 09-03-2009, 10:58 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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I have one big issue with what you posted, but your son has medical issues so maybe you're way was the best way to educate him, so please excuse me if I come off a bit mean.

Regarding reading the classic books and higher math, that seems to be a big thing high school students gripe about (my brother is 16 and a junior, so I hear it all the time). They think 'hey, I'll never need to recite A Tale of Two Cities, so why bother reading it'? It's not about the story for the most part, it's about the comprehension. Learning new words and sentence structures, reading a book that was written with older styles of English can help grammar and sentence structure immensely. Saying he doesn't need to read the classics because he won't use them in real life is utterly incorrect. It's not the books themselves, but the process of reading and comprehending some of the most well written stories of all time.

Regarding the math, it's the same thing... he may not USE algebra or calculus in his every day life but it teaches him basic arithmetic and how to use numbers in abstract ways which WILL come up in the future at one point or another. What if he wants to be an engineer? Basic math just won't cut it. He needs to know the PROCESS of solving X, not just the answer.
No offense taken.

I do understand what you are getting at, but I did say our most used book was the dictionary. We used that one book for every subject except math (and then sometimes we'd look up math words).

My son had a love of numbers and letters from the earliest months of his life. At 5 months old his favorite thing to do was sit on the floor and surround himself with newspapers and magazines and point to things for me to say what they were. The larger numbers and letters were always the first things he wanted to know. He learned to read a ton of simple words at just over a year and by two he was reading most children's books by himself (although I still read to him daily). He went to school knowing how to read and write and was sent to 1st grade for math and reading while in kindy. Sent to 2nd when in first grade and then I put a stop to this because he hated it (even though the higher grade was more challenging). Because of his Asperger's (which we had no clue that he had until just a couple of years ago...so none of these years had anything to do with Asperger's) he was often in trouble and sent to the office or kept after school. In the third grade his teacher decided to punish him by making him write book reports: every time he acted up in class he had to read ANOTHER book and do another report. There were times he came home in tears about having to read 5 books and write reports. He'd sit and read the books and then it was a major fight to get him to write the simple reports. After a while he'd get them all done. This punishment killed his love for reading books... story books. He reads history books, science books, any kind of informative book, but NEVER a novel for pleasure because he so fears (STILL) that he will have to write that damn report. He reads and writes now at a level that far surpassed my ability at that age. I have no worry about him holding his own in any conversation where he is comfortable.

As far as math goes... he knows algebra and knows the process of how to figure out x. He has a photographic memory so this, again, is not a worry for me.

Figuring out at age 23 that he has Asperger's really opened my eyes and made me understand all the things my son went through in his 6 years of public schooling. I can't blame the schools because they had no clue either. My decision was the best one ever for him and something he wished I'd thought of years before.

The best thing about homeschooling for both of us... no early morning wake up call. We are both night owls and always have been.
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:14 PM
 
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If done right with qualified and disciplined parents with children with the right temperament for home schooling, I really don't see a problem with it.

My niece & nephew were home-schooled. One just graduated HS, the other is a senior. They consistently are at the top of their classes and score high on standardized testing.

To my disappointment they are the most rigid, judgmental (of their peers, classmates and non-Christians) and bigoted young adults I have ever come across. I don't think homeschooling was effective for them on the whole because they were so isolated. I find it sad that both these kids have told me that they have a hard time making friends and have no comprehension of why people might not like them or want to befriend them.

My nephew, who just graduated HS, is now spreading his wings & opening his eyes. His parents are furious as homeschooling was seen as a way to prevent this.

On the other hand, we had neighbors who home-schooled their children and those kids are the complete opposite of my niece & nephew. They are well-adjusted, college-bound to prestigious schools, responsible & affable kids. I know I will have raised my children right if mine are anything like those two are.
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:24 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Some examples of what's going wrong with public schools. 2003, some Maine public school teachers were verbally harassing students whose parents were getting ready to deploy to Iraq. Public school teachers issuing extra credit to their students if they attend an anti-war protest. Public school teachers who participate in attacking military recruiters' display. The hundreds, if not thousands, of confirmed cases of public school teachers (male and female) having sexual relations with their students. Audio and video recordings of public school teachers taking time out of their lesson plan to push their own social and political beliefs upon their students even to the point of making insulting remarks about students in their class who have opposing views. One of such cases even went to court and the student won.
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