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Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Originally Posted by Greatday
Regarding NAMBLA and the ACLU.
One thing to keep in mind is, the ACLU DID NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT REPRESENTATION of NAMBLA.
On a personal note, I withdrew my financial support from the ACLU after their representation.
No attorney - no law firm has to accept any and all representation asked of it. For instance, I will NOT, under any circumstance, accept a DUI / DWI defense case - The ACLU could have just as easily said - NOPE.
The ACLU represents the First Amendment and they did exactly what they should have done.
The ACLU did exactly what they should do and that is to represent unpopular groups for their right to free speech. If I was an attorney and the ACLU did not represent NAMBLA, I would pro bono. Not because I like the creeps but because they have the right to free speech. Same with the Nazis, the Klan, the Communist and the Republican Party- all of which I despise on a personal basis.
Many attorneys, myself included, who gave 1000's of hours to the ACLU Kev, have stopped assisting them. Their representation has actually FACILITATED crimes against children.
Why are you getting so mad? I agree that it is a disease.
You placed scare quotes around "disease" as though it's some sort of liberal delusion to note that it is a psychiatric condition rather than one caused by, say, the Devil. That's a rather common position to take.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Originally Posted by Greatday
The ACLU REGULARLY turns away 1st Amendment cases KevK. Regularly.
They could have just as easily turn down representation in the NAMBLA case as well.
It hurt the ACLU big time KevK.
The ACLU takes cases that other counsel will not take because the people involved (Nazis in Chicago, NAMBLA and Larry Flynt for example) are so despised and unpopular. The ACLU theory is that by protecting the right to free speech for the most despised groups of people, it protects the right of free speech for the less despised. And they are right.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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No one is suggesting / has suggested otherwise. BUT, one cannot be charged unless they are caught in the commission of the crime.
Not so. If you are caught even in the conspiracy of a crime- planning a crime- or in the "active passive" participation of a crime (such as cheering on an attack against another or being at an illegal game coc* fight), you can be charged and convicted. People are all the time. Note that I had to misspell coc* because the automatic censor won't allow me to spell it correctly!
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Originally Posted by Greatday
Many attorneys, myself included, who gave 1000's of hours to the ACLU Kev, have stopped assisting them. Their representation has actually FACILITATED crimes against children.
No it has not. The ACLU has not ever "facilitated" crimes against anybody. Speech does not commit crimes. People do. That is like these silly ass "ban all guns" people who want to blame the gun for the crime. A gun has never got up and robbed or killed anybody by itself. Neither has freedom of speech.
The ACLU takes cases that other counsel will not take because the people involved (Nazis in Chicago, NAMBLA and Larry Flynt for example) are so despised and unpopular. The ACLU theory is that by protecting the right to free speech for the most despised groups of people, it protects the right of free speech for the less despised. And they are right.
KevK - let me try to get you to understand something. I know the kinds of cases the ACLU takes - I have been lead counsel on a number of ACLU sponsored cases. Have you got it Kev?
Now, that said, I can also GUARANTEE YOU that the ACLU DOES NOT ACCEPT REPRESENTATION OF EVERY CASE OFFERED TO THEM. Even cases "they" like - even cases "they" think are winnable - they simply do not accept every case. Can you understand this KevK????
Now, assuming you do understand this, try to understand this: The ACLU DID NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THE NAMBLA case. By litigating that case AND getting a judgment favorable to NAMBLA, the ACLU, in esscence, emboldened the group and helped some member to perpertrate crimes against children.
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS KEV K?????
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