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Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Originally Posted by HookTheBrotherUp
Some may see only a small number of people protesting, but then one has to consider their news sources. Read this interesting article (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/The-Van-Jones-non-feeding-non-frenzy-57271402.html - broken link). If people only see the news through the prism of those who are in the tank for the President, what else would you expect?
They can protest all they want. The left protested when Bush was in there and Bush said "F you, we are going to war". That is what Obama needs to tell these people. He needs to say "F you, we were elected on this issue and we are going to pass it".
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Originally Posted by roysoldboy
Bush spent like that and yet Obama is proposing spending more in 10 years than all the other Presidents combined? Somehow it seems that you received just what the left intended you to get in your public school. You have no ideas at all about money and how much Obama wants to spend in creating his socialist haven. I would feel sorry for you if I didn't believe you had been raised to be the way you are.
Obama has been forced to spend to get out of the HOLE that Bush put the country in. The country and the economy were handed to Obama is a damn mess and then these lunatic ass neo conservatives who made the mess stand around and scream at him for having to spend money to clean up the mess they left for him.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Originally Posted by Spot
That's exactly right! I think the Dems spent so much time in the political wilderness that they forgot how to govern, how to lead. The fact that they are shaking hands with the GOP behind their backs, DESPITE how hard the base worked to help them win last time around is nothing short of a slap in the face to all of us. Health reform without a public option is nothing more than a boondoggle for the insurance companies to sap trillions more out of our economy. We all know it. Yet Obama has caved on that issue completely and sounds more like a loyal republican every day.
"Bipartisanship" apparently means doing what the GOP wants, because the GOP obviously isn't giving an inch to the democratic agenda that we all voted for. I'm really sick of it. If they can't get the agenda that they campaigned on through congress, when they control everything by a wide margin, then I have no use for them. I might as well vote for republicans because at least they will keep my taxes down which will help me pay for my crappy health insurance policy.
As for the "blue dogs," screw em. Fire them from their committees and don't give them a penny to run for reelection. That's EXACTLY what the GOP does to their congressional members that don't tow the party line. That's why they vote in lockstep on almost every issue. That's called party discipline and leadership. Something this current crop of democratic leaders clearly doesn't understand.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Originally Posted by saganista
What campaign were you watching? Obama launched his candidacy from a populist left, then moved incrementally toward the center during the general election campaign. Upon inauguration he has genuinely sought to govern from the center, but the right wants no part of the center. The right has left itself wide open to being strategically marginalized and ultimately left without a part of anything. The hand that Obama still extends to the right may be the last chance it has for political redemption and survival. That hand will not be extended and available forever...
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Originally Posted by pghquest
Ahh, so you are coming around to finally acknowledge the man is a failure..
Maybe we did make the right choice, vote Obama, so that the government and politicians DO NOTHING...
Dont worry Kev, another 3 years we'll have another president to give you "change", obviously your one of those individuals who judges the success and failures of a presiden based upon the size of your welfare support...
Well since you have seen fit to personally attack me and accuse me of being on welfare, I would only ask you this- who are you going to give us to vote for in 3 years? Palin? Another Bush? Somebody 74 years old and useless like McCain? Just who do you have in mind? Nobody in your party is worth a piece of chicken excrement. Nobody has any ideas except to shout NO NO NO at those who do.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Originally Posted by saganista
The last budget that Bush wrote was that for FY2008 and -- without any economic crisis to deal with -- it proposed spending of $2.9 trillion. If we simply straight-lined that number to FY2010 using the average rate of increase over Bush's second term, proposed FY2010 spending would have been about $3.2 trillion. With the economic crisis factored in and with placeholders put in for various proposed new programs, Obama's FY2010 budget stands at about $3.5 trillion. Makes one start to think that perhaps you aren't quite so money-savvy as you would claim to be...
Not only that but Bush paid another trillion for his wars which are "off the books" and done as supplementals whereas Obama has put the cost of the wars back on the books so in reality Bush was going to spend $0.5 trillion MORE than Obama has proposed for 2010!
Well since you have seen fit to personally attack me and accuse me of being on welfare, I would only ask you this- who are you going to give us to vote for in 3 years? Palin? Another Bush? Somebody 74 years old and useless like McCain? Just who do you have in mind? Nobody in your party is worth a piece of chicken excrement. Nobody has any ideas except to shout NO NO NO at those who do.
Social Security is a form of welfare KevK - the op was correct.
Its one of the reasons why I will NEVER get social security or medicare
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Originally Posted by Reads2MUCH
Healthcare reform was only a small part of his campaign and was not the promise that everyone voted on. Obama promised "change" on many levels, and that is why so many people voted for him. He was promising the world to everyone except the rich, and since they only make up about 1% of the vote, he didn't have to worry to much about them. Every candidate had their own plans for healthcare, the war in Iraq, etc. And no one actually knew much about any of these plans. So I would say your assumption that everyone voted for Obama because he was gonna socialize healthcare is a bit off base.
You are of course kidding, right? Healthcare was the BIGGEST domestic item in his campaign and second only to getting the troops out of Iraq which he has also failed to do thus far.
If the Dems don't stop giving up ground to the GOP on issues like health care, the war, credit reform, student loans etc..., then there is no point in voting for Democrats. Why should I vote for a party that doesn't deliver on its promises, but still raises my taxes to pay for programs that I don't support?
If I wanted health reform without a public option, I would have voted for McCain.
If I wanted the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to continue, I would have voted for McCain.
If I wanted no credit card lending reform, I would have voted for McCain.
If I wanted my tax money to be used to pay bonuses on Wall Street, I would have voted for McCain.
If I wanted to continue the status quote on student loan policy, I would have voted for McCain.
But I didn't vote for McCain. I voted for Obama and I still got McCain.
How the Dems can't pass the legislation they promised when we handed them a SUPER-MAJORITY in congress and the presidency is beyond me, but whatever the reason, it's totally inexcusable. They deserve to lose in 2010. I hope the blue dog's seats and for that matter many of the "safe" seats are lost. Maybe then they will get the message that if you dump all over your base and go back on ALL of your campaign promises you can't retain power. The GOP learned that lesson in 2006 and it's time to teach it to the Dems now.
I'll give you one guess as to how I will vote next time around...
I don't think Harry Reid could get something passed in the Senate with 80 votes.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan
Spot on. I watched some of his campaign speeches. He is an excellent orator. He targets his audience and tailors his content to that specific audience. He stirs their emotions, points out the bad guys and promises to fix the wrongs. I watched a speech he gave to an Hispanic group and it was all about reforming immigration to insure a "path to citizenship".
What he did during his campaign trail was not talk in generalities like McCain/Clinton did. Instead he seemed to pick one or two topics that were very pertinent to his audience at that time and got them emotionally stirred up. He spoke to the "gimme" mindset of Americans and said "sure, no problem".
And it worked. A literal "just another senator" from Congress won the Presidency.
Awww- forgot about that one. Failed there so far too! Oh and equality for gays in the military and federal employment- yep failed that too!
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