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What he's trying to accomplish is both immoral and impractical. It's been tried again and again, and it always leads to misery, poverty and death. Anyone who studies the history of counties such as Soviet Russia, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, etc. know where the big government road leads to. God forbid we follow the free market path of successful places such as Singapore and Hong Kong, which have gone from being "third world" to being "first world" in less than 60 years with capitalism, and which are still the fastest growing economies. Freedom and entrepreneurship will always lead to greater prosperity than statism and bureaucracy. As long as you consciously support the latter, you deserve nothing but ridicule. Obama's agenda, which is strikingly similar to Bush's agenda, is all about the concentration of power. There hasn't been a decent president in Washington D.C. since Calvin Coolidge.
Problem with people like you is that you think this is acceptable:
As long as you consciously support the latter, you deserve nothing but ridicule.
That's the direction the right is leading this country in and you think that's not going to lead to: misery, poverty and death.
You fell to mention through ignorance or purposely, that the countries you mentioned are poisoning their environments so badly that on some days their very air is making them ill, they can't drink much of their fresh water and they have no support systems to care for their elderly or disabled.
This may be the right's idea of Utopia but thank goodness that to many it's not!
1. Wiretapping? Big difference. We were newly at war and trying uncover terrorist cells in the US. Obama is using wiretapping and intercepting emails to identify POLITICAL ENEMIES. One was identifying foriegn enemies of the republic, the other IS AN ENEMY OF THE REPUBLIC by collecting information on law abiding citizens, not terrorists.
Bush was defending us. Who will defend us from Obama?
Do you think if you repeat these lies often enough they will magically become true? Your boy was conducting warrantless wiretapping and data-mining from the Telecoms against average citizens without even the suspicion that there was any illegal activity. ALL of our customer records and call logs were turned over to the NSA, with the exception of the lucky customers of Qwest, whose CEO stood up to the Bush administration and told them to go blow.
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2. Bloating the federal government? You have to be kidding! Bush was a liberal. The first massive expansion of government in modern times was under Carter, and it has gotten worse since then. I guess you have not been keeping a tally, but your guy just blew more dough than all the administrations prior to him, combined! And he is just getting warmed up.
Again, the liberal tactic of simply trying to define relative levels of incompetance does not matter. Action in the here and now is all that matters. Unless you have a time machine, your bitching about the past does nothing. Live in the present.
Ah, the "past is past" argument. Let's not hold anyone you agree with personally, accountable for one thing they did to destroy this country, especially things that are contrary to their party's political ideology, because, well, that's in the past. Let's just move on.
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3. Denying rights? Let me see........ who is the one who has sent thugs to break up political opposition groups? Who has tried to suppress conservative radio? Who has asked for "snitches" to send private emails to the white house to keep track of political opponants? Sounds a little facist to me- guess what- it is facist.
Barack Obama didn't send anyone to do anything to political opposition, nor has he asked anyone to "snitch" on political opponents. Yet more falsehoods and distortions so you can create a boogeyman that doesn't exist.
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4. Lower YOUR taxes? That shows what liberalism is all about- HELP ME, HELP ME. Screw everyone else. You probably do not pay any taxes, beside medicare and social security taxes, and do not have taxes to cut. We pay all the taxes already and you are benefitting from those payments while paying nothing. In short, a free ride for deadbeats. It is like going out to dinner with a friend and having to pick up the tab ALL THE TIME.
5. Lost your job in the recession? Do I know you or are you a relative? If not, I don't care. That was your responsiblity to position yourself properly in the employment world via education and hard work and you blew it. If you were indespensible, you would not have been fired or if the company had gone belly up, would have been picked up by another company.
Dude, your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking if you did not follow that the examples I gave were to illustrate my political position. My family income is well over 6 digits in front of the decimal point, so our income tax liability is huge. And that's to say nothing of the property taxes we pay on a nearly three quarters of a million dollar home. I'm a heterosexual married woman, I'm too old to get pregnant, and I've been at the same job for nearly 10 years now and still gainfully employed.
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Take action and take care of yourself, your family, and your friends. But do not whine and complain for handouts like a bum when things do not go right for you. How is it again, that you are my personal responsibility? I am sure that you will give me a "brother's keeper" line, but the fact of the matter is that I am already everyone's brothers keeper and those brothers are not picking up the pace, as I would expect of anyone who is trying to support themselves. "Brother's keeper" does not refer to lifetime welfare and support- it is a helping hand- not a lifetime piggyback ride.
The left is so self absorbed, greedy and selfish that they cannot see beyond what affects THEM, as that is all they are focused on- themselves. The politics and religion of greed, selfishness and narcissism. If you were my kids, I would spank you and tell you to get off your butt and get moving.
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You voted? And you call that "doing something". It is funny what liberals percieve as taking "action". I thought that voting was just something that one always did and I really have never percieved it as "taking action"!? I can see that we have some fundamentally different views of "work" and "action" My work and action actually involves money and sweat. Yours involves filling in a sheet of paper.
We conservatives actually do somethinig- volunteer, donate, set up scholarships, talk to our senators and congressmen, start buisnesses, ect..... When was the last time you actually DID SOMETHING instead of just thinking about it? Probably never- it is the liberal way.
Only a liberal would think that just voting is "doing something". Thanks for your devoted effort and committment!
Oh goodie, a [blank]-waving contest. Cool!
How many thousands of hungry people did you feed for Thanksgiving last year? Here's where I spent mine:
How many political fundraisers have you personally organized, planned and pulled off? How many hundreds of thousands of dollars have you helped raise? Here's a short list of candidates I've planned and co-hosted events for:
Linda Sanchez
Loretta Sanchez
Xavier Becerra
Juanita Millender-McDonald (amazing woman, may she rest in peace)
Patrick Kennedy
John Kerry
Jane Harman
How many Boards of Directors of 501c-3 organizations do you sit on, let alone are President of? I happen to preside over a Board that's responsible for nearly a million dollars a year in fundraising to support a local environmental and educational facility in my community.
How many Fire Departments have you gone through the FEMA training CERT course for, so you'd be certified to assist in a major emergency? I'm on the "phone trees" of 3 departments; Los Angeles County, Redondo Beach (where I live) and Torrance (where I work), so that I can be called upon as a backup to First Responders, and I continue to participate in ongoing refresher training courses every year.
How many doors did you knock on during the campaign? How many supplies did you purchase and send to campaign offices in the swing states that had run out? How many hours did you spend waving a sign on your street corner in support of your candidate? How many Iraqi children did you contribute financially and fundraise for the medical care of? How many birthday and Christmas gifts have you foregone, asking people instead to make charitable donations on your behalf? How many International Relief agencies do you support? How many hours have you spent swinging a hammer building homes in Mexico (I've built homes for 3 families there) or here in the U.S. (I've built 2, one that was shipped to New Orleans after Katrina)? How many animal shelters are you responsible for starting and building from nothing?
Don't talk to me about "DOING SOMETHING" until you've done half of what I've done for my community, my country and the world.
Do you think if you repeat these lies often enough they will magically become true? Your boy was conducting warrantless wiretapping and data-mining from the Telecoms against average citizens without even the suspicion that there was any illegal activity. ALL of our customer records and call logs were turned over to the NSA, with the exception of the lucky customers of Qwest, whose CEO stood up to the Bush administration and told them to go blow.
Ah, the "past is past" argument. Let's not hold anyone you agree with personally, accountable for one thing they did to destroy this country, especially things that are contrary to their party's political ideology, because, well, that's in the past. Let's just move on.
Barack Obama didn't send anyone to do anything to political opposition, nor has he asked anyone to "snitch" on political opponents. Yet more falsehoods and distortions so you can create a boogeyman that doesn't exist. Dude, your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking if you did not follow that the examples I gave were to illustrate my political position. My family income is well over 6 digits in front of the decimal point, so our income tax liability is huge. And that's to say nothing of the property taxes we pay on a nearly three quarters of a million dollar home. I'm a heterosexual married woman, I'm too old to get pregnant, and I've been at the same job for nearly 10 years now and still gainfully employed. Oh goodie, a [blank]-waving contest. Cool!
How many thousands of hungry people did you feed for Thanksgiving last year? Here's where I spent mine:
How many political fundraisers have you personally organized, planned and pulled off? How many hundreds of thousands of dollars have you helped raise? Here's a short list of candidates I've planned and co-hosted events for:
Linda Sanchez
Loretta Sanchez
Xavier Becerra
Juanita Millender-McDonald (amazing woman, may she rest in peace)
Patrick Kennedy
John Kerry
Jane Harman
How many Boards of Directors of 501c-3 organizations do you sit on, let alone are President of? I happen to preside over a Board that's responsible for nearly a million dollars a year in fundraising to support a local environmental and educational facility in my community.
How many Fire Departments have you gone through the FEMA training CERT course for, so you'd be certified to assist in a major emergency? I'm on the "phone trees" of 3 departments; Los Angeles County, Redondo Beach (where I live) and Torrance (where I work), so that I can be called upon as a backup to First Responders, and I continue to participate in ongoing refresher training courses every year.
How many doors did you knock on during the campaign? How many supplies did you purchase and send to campaign offices in the swing states that had run out? How many hours did you spend waving a sign on your street corner in support of your candidate? How many Iraqi children did you contribute financially and fundraise for the medical care of? How many birthday and Christmas gifts have you foregone, asking people instead to make charitable donations on your behalf? How many International Relief agencies do you support? How many hours have you spent swinging a hammer building homes in Mexico (I've built homes for 3 families there) or here in the U.S. (I've built 2, one that was shipped to New Orleans after Katrina)? How many animal shelters are you responsible for starting and building from nothing?
Don't talk to me about "DOING SOMETHING" until you've done half of what I've done for my community, my country and the world.
But.....but......but.....hawkeye deducts over $100,000 a year in charitable donates. We know this because he said so. And he would lie to us.
Do you think if you repeat these lies often enough they will magically become true? Your boy was conducting warrantless wiretapping and data-mining from the Telecoms against average citizens without even the suspicion that there was any illegal activity. ALL of our customer records and call logs were turned over to the NSA, with the exception of the lucky customers of Qwest, whose CEO stood up to the Bush administration and told them to go blow.
Ah, the "past is past" argument. Let's not hold anyone you agree with personally, accountable for one thing they did to destroy this country, especially things that are contrary to their party's political ideology, because, well, that's in the past. Let's just move on.
Barack Obama didn't send anyone to do anything to political opposition, nor has he asked anyone to "snitch" on political opponents. Yet more falsehoods and distortions so you can create a boogeyman that doesn't exist. Dude, your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking if you did not follow that the examples I gave were to illustrate my political position. My family income is well over 6 digits in front of the decimal point, so our income tax liability is huge. And that's to say nothing of the property taxes we pay on a nearly three quarters of a million dollar home. I'm a heterosexual married woman, I'm too old to get pregnant, and I've been at the same job for nearly 10 years now and still gainfully employed. Oh goodie, a [blank]-waving contest. Cool!
How many thousands of hungry people did you feed for Thanksgiving last year? Here's where I spent mine:
How many political fundraisers have you personally organized, planned and pulled off? How many hundreds of thousands of dollars have you helped raise? Here's a short list of candidates I've planned and co-hosted events for:
Linda Sanchez
Loretta Sanchez
Xavier Becerra
Juanita Millender-McDonald (amazing woman, may she rest in peace)
Patrick Kennedy
John Kerry
Jane Harman
How many Boards of Directors of 501c-3 organizations do you sit on, let alone are President of? I happen to preside over a Board that's responsible for nearly a million dollars a year in fundraising to support a local environmental and educational facility in my community.
How many Fire Departments have you gone through the FEMA training CERT course for, so you'd be certified to assist in a major emergency? I'm on the "phone trees" of 3 departments; Los Angeles County, Redondo Beach (where I live) and Torrance (where I work), so that I can be called upon as a backup to First Responders, and I continue to participate in ongoing refresher training courses every year.
How many doors did you knock on during the campaign? How many supplies did you purchase and send to campaign offices in the swing states that had run out? How many hours did you spend waving a sign on your street corner in support of your candidate? How many Iraqi children did you contribute financially and fundraise for the medical care of? How many birthday and Christmas gifts have you foregone, asking people instead to make charitable donations on your behalf? How many International Relief agencies do you support? How many hours have you spent swinging a hammer building homes in Mexico (I've built homes for 3 families there) or here in the U.S. (I've built 2, one that was shipped to New Orleans after Katrina)? How many animal shelters are you responsible for starting and building from nothing?
Don't talk to me about "DOING SOMETHING" until you've done half of what I've done for my community, my country and the world.
That's the direction the right is leading this country in and you think that's not going to lead to: misery, poverty and death.
The Republican Party has been equally bad as the Democratic Party, yes. Upholding the status quo will probably lead to the same outcome, though not as quickly. I'm in favor of Paul Ryan's free market health care reform (the first video).
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You fell to mention through ignorance or purposely, that the countries you mentioned are poisoning their environments so badly that on some days their very air is making them ill, they can't drink much of their fresh water and they have no support systems to care for their elderly or disabled.
Hong Kong suffers from pollution from the massive industrial activity along the southern coast of China, yes. Singapore, on the other hand, has very strict environmental protection regulations. Singapore has one of the world's best health care systems—you can read about it here and here. I'm transferring to Singapore in about two years.
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This may be the right's idea of Utopia but thank goodness that to many it's not!
The closest to my idea of utopia would be the U.S. with the political framework it had in the early 20th century, back when the government was secular and restricted to protecting individual rights. While places like Hong Kong and Singapore are great economically, they violate certain individual rights such as freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and the right to self-defense.
I can't be alone here? I can't take the stupidity anymore. Birthers, Deathers, Socialism, Commies, Facism, Birth Certificates, Muslim, Gun Rights, "I can't let my kids watch the President speak about setting goals and staying in school" loons, and the list goes on, ad nauseam.
I guess what I am most upset about is how Democrats get so derailed from accomplishing anything because we are so afraid of doing anything without the approval of Republicans (god forbid we grow a set). Republicans have had control for so long and have not managed to do one thing, not one, for the middle class. Is there anyone else that feels as disgusted as I do?
It would take me a while to explain you all that stuff... so I'm gonna try to make it short.
In few words, the media is right wing,
They do an excellent job to seem unbiased by using some techniques (If you really want, I can send you a PM telling you all I know about that)
In few words, Obama is getting a "Tom Cruise" treatment from the media (remember the way Tom Cruise got attacked by the media to destroy his image?)
Part of what they are doing involves never mentioning George Bush, because it makes President Obama look good.
Something else to keep in mind,
as much as democrats claim to be liberals and republicans claim to be conservative, all of them are corrupt politicians disguised as liberals and conservatives. That's why you find democrats acting like republicans and vice-versa.
What it goes down to is the media completely attacking the President.
To the point that anybody saying anything complaining about the President will make headlines "Parents concerned about what the President might say during speech"
and what the President says is shown as "That's what he says"
I can tell you a lot more about it if you send me a PM,
but I'm trying to keep it short.
But that's the point then after all isn't it? To feel better about yourself?
To blunt the effect of your self-hatred?
It would be wise to stop this sort of talk, all you lefties.
You will need all these stupid uneducated people to pass even a watered down version of your agenda whether you like it or not.
Quit stamping your foot like a bunch of spoiled little children. Learn to play nice and quit bullying. Accept the compromises that you know you must.
I'm tired of compromising with Righty. That's how the atrocious Medicare Plan D came into being. That helped Big Pharma and the insurance companies more than it helped the seniors. We got bullied into that by Bush who refused to sign anything that put a limits on the pharmaceutical companies. That's all any compromise bill will be -- forcing people to buy insurance which will benefit the insurance companies more than the people. Screw it. Let the uninsured keep getting their medical care from ER and let the underinsured keep going bankrupt. The well insured rich people are the ones who'll pay in the long run as surely as there was nationalized health care and you paid for it with taxes.
But.....but......but.....hawkeye deducts over $100,000 a year in charitable donates. We know this because he said so. And he would lie to us.
BTW, what do you do in your spare time?
LOL! First of all, love the Freudian slip there. As for my spare time, look at my post count and I'll give you 3 guesses what's been sucking up my spare time lately, but I bet it only takes you 1.
And with any luck our lives will be fuller and busier by the end of the year, as we're scheduled for our first orientation later this month, to become foster parents in the hopes of eventually adopting.
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You are an amazing woman, no doubt about it!
Thank you. But there are millions more out there who are even more amazing. I'm a downright slacker compared to some. I feel privileged and blessed that it's within my power and ability to do even the little I do. I always wish I could do more.
Do you think if you repeat these lies often enough they will magically become true? Your boy was conducting warrantless wiretapping and data-mining from the Telecoms against average citizens without even the suspicion that there was any illegal activity. ALL of our customer records and call logs were turned over to the NSA, with the exception of the lucky customers of Qwest, whose CEO stood up to the Bush administration and told them to go blow.
Ah, the "past is past" argument. Let's not hold anyone you agree with personally, accountable for one thing they did to destroy this country, especially things that are contrary to their party's political ideology, because, well, that's in the past. Let's just move on.
Barack Obama didn't send anyone to do anything to political opposition, nor has he asked anyone to "snitch" on political opponents. Yet more falsehoods and distortions so you can create a boogeyman that doesn't exist. Dude, your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking if you did not follow that the examples I gave were to illustrate my political position. My family income is well over 6 digits in front of the decimal point, so our income tax liability is huge. And that's to say nothing of the property taxes we pay on a nearly three quarters of a million dollar home. I'm a heterosexual married woman, I'm too old to get pregnant, and I've been at the same job for nearly 10 years now and still gainfully employed. Oh goodie, a [blank]-waving contest. Cool!
How many thousands of hungry people did you feed for Thanksgiving last year? Here's where I spent mine:
How many political fundraisers have you personally organized, planned and pulled off? How many hundreds of thousands of dollars have you helped raise? Here's a short list of candidates I've planned and co-hosted events for:
Linda Sanchez
Loretta Sanchez
Xavier Becerra
Juanita Millender-McDonald (amazing woman, may she rest in peace)
Patrick Kennedy
John Kerry
Jane Harman
How many Boards of Directors of 501c-3 organizations do you sit on, let alone are President of? I happen to preside over a Board that's responsible for nearly a million dollars a year in fundraising to support a local environmental and educational facility in my community.
How many Fire Departments have you gone through the FEMA training CERT course for, so you'd be certified to assist in a major emergency? I'm on the "phone trees" of 3 departments; Los Angeles County, Redondo Beach (where I live) and Torrance (where I work), so that I can be called upon as a backup to First Responders, and I continue to participate in ongoing refresher training courses every year.
How many doors did you knock on during the campaign? How many supplies did you purchase and send to campaign offices in the swing states that had run out? How many hours did you spend waving a sign on your street corner in support of your candidate? How many Iraqi children did you contribute financially and fundraise for the medical care of? How many birthday and Christmas gifts have you foregone, asking people instead to make charitable donations on your behalf? How many International Relief agencies do you support? How many hours have you spent swinging a hammer building homes in Mexico (I've built homes for 3 families there) or here in the U.S. (I've built 2, one that was shipped to New Orleans after Katrina)? How many animal shelters are you responsible for starting and building from nothing?
Don't talk to me about "DOING SOMETHING" until you've done half of what I've done for my community, my country and the world.
Bravo, Jill!!!
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god awful democrats please grow up
As for my spare time, look at my post count and I'll give you 3 guesses what's been sucking up my spare time lately, but I bet it only takes you 1. 
