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Well yeah, but can the insurance companies come up with tax money to pay for their losses caused by having to cover anybody and everybody? Only that public option can do that.
How long before only the public option is left standing because they have the wealth of the US behind them? I simply can't understand how some of you people can't see beyond the day this bill gets passed.
Sure they can. They're rolling in it.
So would you believe then by extension, that if you have high blood pressure or a history of cancer, the insurance companies should continue to be allowed to deny you coverage because of that?
I dont remember which countries, I think it was UK or France. But i've heard some say that it has failed in other countries so why should the US adopt it?
France has a hybrid system (public and private) and the people of France think that overall, it's very successful. So the counter argument is that your premise is a false one. France is ranked #1 in the world for overall health care.
So would you believe then by extension, that if you have high blood pressure or a history of cancer, the insurance companies should continue to be allowed to deny you coverage because of that?
I see by your first sentence that you don't believe in capitalism. Why do I say that? Well obviously you don't know that those companies are corporations that were formed by selling stocks to investors. Those investors count on getting some money for investing. Well since all of their money has to go to people with known problems they will take all their money out and put it elsewhere. Do you really not understand how capitalism works or are you just against it all?
I think the public option is stupid.
We'd be better off with a single payer system.
At the least, we need to allow people to write off medical expenses (doctor bills, hospital bills, co-pays, their deductible, medications, etc), increase the amount of primary care physicians, and decrease the percentage of obesity we have in this country among other things.
Well golly, Jim, why don't you explain what UPS and FedEx have to do with health care. No don't bother since I know where you got that idea. It was from an Obama example of something, wasn't it?
So you already knew that the public and private health insurance could coexist.
I see by your first sentence that you don't believe in capitalism. Why do I say that? Well obviously you don't know that those companies are corporations that were formed by selling stocks to investors. Those investors count on getting some money for investing. Well since all of their money has to go to people with known problems they will take all their money out and put it elsewhere. Do you really not understand how capitalism works or are you just against it all?
Now could explain how the stock market works in a communist country like China. Then in a socialist country like Sweden.
I see by your first sentence that you don't believe in capitalism. Why do I say that? Well obviously you don't know that those companies are corporations that were formed by selling stocks to investors. Those investors count on getting some money for investing. Well since all of their money has to go to people with known problems they will take all their money out and put it elsewhere. Do you really not understand how capitalism works or are you just against it all?
You've summed up nicely just how morally deficient many conservatives are. There are certain things, like the health of our people, that should not be left up to the invisible hand of capitalism. Capitalism has winners and losers, and to live in a country (a country that many people think is the best on the planet) where we let all the losers live in disease and poverty is morally wrong.
Are you saying that if your own mother, sister, or brother is bad for an insurance company's bottom line, they should just be left to suffer and/or die?
You've summed up nicely just how morally deficient many conservatives are. There are certain things, like the health of our people, that should not be left up to the invisible hand of capitalism. Capitalism has winners and losers, and to live in a country (a country that many people think is the best on the planet) where we let all the losers live in disease and poverty is morally wrong.
Are you saying that if your own mother, sister, or brother is bad for an insurance company's bottom line, they should just be left to suffer and/or die?
Of course they aren't saying that but everyone else is just a lazy bum who can't find a good job that provides good health insurance even though many employers are going to increasingly putting the burden of health costs on their employees. That would be fine if wages will be rising but of course...they won't.
Because those countries have 100% nationalized healthcare - that is NOT what's being proposed. What is being proposed right now is to keep independent insurance companies, basically require them to cover eveyrone, regardless of pre-existing conditions, and include a reasonably priced "public option" for those who can't afford a private plan or don't have access to one.
I see by your first sentence that you don't believe in capitalism. Why do I say that? Well obviously you don't know that those companies are corporations that were formed by selling stocks to investors. Those investors count on getting some money for investing. Well since all of their money has to go to people with known problems they will take all their money out and put it elsewhere. Do you really not understand how capitalism works or are you just against it all?
Actually sure i believe in Capitalism, I guess the problem is that I have worked in the corporate world now for almost 20 yrs and I see who the people that run these companies are....and believe me they are only out for themselves. Themselves,not investors, or employees, or consumers...but themselves. The stories I could tell
I am also intimately involved in healthcare so I believe I am pretty familiar with these firms. They will absolutely not go under just because a little competition is offered.
Do you honestly think that healthcare costs - actual costs to insurance companies from doctors and hospitals go up 20% each year? Yet somehow our premiums do. It's a crime, plain and simple. Affordable healthcare is not a commodity, it's a necessity and a basic human right as far as I'm concerned.
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