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That's very convenient I suppose, that way we can just say it's all Obama's fault that we bailed out wall street? Listen, I was against the bailouts from day one...when GWB started the ball rolling. As a Dem, I am always amazed at the right's inability to accept responsibility for something their side had a hand in. Listen, Clinton got a BJ, that was bad and I thought he was a moron for doing something so stupid, but see, I can admit that! Your side is like the 5 year old that stands there saying he did it/she did it, but I surely didn't do it!
you are missing the whole point because of your interest in continuing to assign party blame. the point is that we have had screw-ups by both parties and now here we are. we had a democratic congress bank bailout, which represented the culmination of all the bad behavior, signed by a republican president. now we have to identify those who chose to bail the banks out, THROW THEM ALL OUT OF OFFICE, and get an honest representative in power next election. that means actually looking at their voting records (not their parties) and throwing those who are embedded with wall street out of office.
Conservatives love to assume that they are paying for other people to be lazy but investigations into such things as welfare fraud have tended to peg the fraud rate at or around 9% (certainly not more than half). Anti-fraud efforts usually end up costing more money than they save.
This is UTTER NONSENSE. I'm not talking about fraud. I'm talking about there being millions of people in this country who COULD afford to purchase health insurance but DO NOT. They will be covered under a universal plan.
Here's an example. In my business, I often employ construction subcontractors. I can't count how many painters, carpenters, and others I have fired over the years because they will not show up half the time due to being hungover or choosing not to come to work. This is a notorious problem in the construction industry. A lot of these guys probably can't afford health insurance because they refuse to work like the rest of us. (I don't mean to single out construction workers, this is just an example, and many construction workers are extremely hardworking individuals) People like this will be covered under a universal health plan that the rest of us will have to pay for. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH FRAUD.
Sailordave (displaying a shocking lack of knowledge of history) wrote;
Nice communist party tactic shown in perfect clarity.
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You neglected to mention the fact that many of those union organizers were also members of the communist party and used tactics as bad, if not worse, than the ones you listed about the "evil rich".
Do you have anything, other than your supposition to support your statement about "many" of the union organizers being CP members?
Or the outrageous charge of "using tactics as bad, or worse"? How many of them sent armed goons to gun down Henry Ford and his board?
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Their ultimate goal was to bring the downfall of private corporations and America itself.
Seriously, turn off Rush and read a history book.
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But the depression would have ended sooner if not for all the public policies of FDR.
No, I meant a real history book, not something written by Drudge, or O'Reilly.
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We rose out of the depression in spite of FDR thanks to WW2.
Yep, all those public service jobs, building destroyers, jeeps, tanks, trucks, rifles, artillery pieces, etc.
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The 50s were booming thanks to Europe and parts of Asia being destroyed.
Of course it had nothing to do with built up demand, lots of (enforced) savings to spend on consumer goods and the fact that the "socialist" GI Bill (created by Roosevelt) gave the US a HUGE cadre of well educated engineers, managers, accountants etc.
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Because of that, we were making our own products and buying our own products. We became Lax in the quality of our products and so when Europe and Asia were able to get going in production, to get our people to buy their products they made the products better than the American products. The lax attitude of the American companies made them, instead of improving their product, continue to chant "Made in the USA".
Your argument here is that the problem was the "capitalists", not the laborers who created huge imbalance in foreign trade. It wasn't the workers who designed the Edsel, Pinto, Maverick etc, nor was it the workers who turned Plymouth from number 3 in '57 to number 15 by the early '70s.
Nor was it the workers who spent more lobbying congress to overturn EPA mileage standards than Japan spent developing new, improved, higher mileage engines. Actually that sentence isn't based on any "facts" it's just speculation on my part, but it was silliness on the part of the (formerly) "big" three. It wasn't the workers who kept screaming that "there is no way to extract that much energy from a gallon of gasoline".
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Where's Zenith, Quasar, and other American electronic companies? RCA was an American electronic company but all their products are produced overseas.
Actually "Quasar" was a Motorola brand, acquired by (IIRC) Matsu****a for the (alleged) purpose of avoiding US tariffs. I seem to recall reading about it in law class but don't know if anything ever came of it. It was basically a "MITI" ruse.
Doctor D's World: Medicare and the Mythical "Government Takeover" (http://doctordsworld.blogspot.com/2009/08/medicare-and-mythical-government.html - broken link)
Most of us can and do. But there have always been those can't or won't. I don't think people should live off the government, but I do think that there needs to be a safty net when it comes to things that are for the public good.
There already is a saftey net, what ELSE do you want?
This is UTTER NONSENSE. I'm not talking about fraud. I'm talking about there being millions of people in this country who COULD afford to purchase health insurance but DO NOT. They will be covered under a universal plan.
Here's an example. In my business, I often employ construction subcontractors. I can't count how many painters, carpenters, and others I have fired over the years because they will not show up half the time due to being hungover or choosing not to come to work. This is a notorious problem in the construction industry. A lot of these guys probably can't afford health insurance because they refuse to work like the rest of us. (I don't mean to single out construction workers, this is just an example, and many construction workers are extremely hardworking individuals) People like this will be covered under a universal health plan that the rest of us will have to pay for. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH FRAUD.
So should we pay for them to just be too lazy to work? They sound like they could afford it if they put the hours in like the rest of us.
I am tried of paying for lazy people who just want to sit around drunk, hung over or just plain fat and lazy. Isn't this called welfare already!!!
I dont think the proportion of able-bodied people living entirely, or even mostly, on welfare is as great as many people seem to think. Could you provide links to stats that back your concern?
That's complete BS. People have learned like Pavlov's dog, to "ring the bell" when they need or want something. I know quite a few people that take full advantage of welfare, WIC, Section 8, housing assistance, etc. although they are fully capable of doing things properly and on their own. These people scour sources to find the hand out and then BRAG about it! This is what our society has become.
That's complete BS. People have learned like Pavlov's dog, to "ring the bell" when they need or want something. I know quite a few people that take full advantage of welfare, WIC, Section 8, housing assistance, etc. although they are fully capable of doing things properly and on their own. These people scour sources to find the hand out and then BRAG about it! This is what our society has become.
Tried to give you rep points, I have to wait until next time!!
I live in a fairly rich part of Idaho and yes people do scam the system. There are parents who can afford their children's lunch and have signed up on the reduced lunch option and the free breakfast.
They are not a bit embarrassed!!
It troubles me to no end to see this endless amt. of govt. intruding our lives...America has become socialist...one thing that irritates me is what our taxes go to...
my grandfather is the American dream...he worked starting at 14 years old...working on the water, crabbing, fishing, etc...day and night he labored, and never complained once...he built that into a seafood business and now rests comfortably in his retirement. He would of never collected any aid...and it wasnt there...what happened to that generation of real men? It is no longer around...now good ol taxpayer can take care of those who dont want to work...if you are truely bad off you should rely on churches, the salvation army, charities like that...not the govt...what ever happened to individual responsibility?
America is indeed the most socialist country in the world, FAR more than countries like Sweden etc who are often labeled as such.
Of course our model is different from the normal template in that we retain full capitalism fot the poor andworking classes.
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