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Old 09-09-2009, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Ft. Worth, TX
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And you're opposed to public option?


By medical community, I hope you don't mean health care providers but health insurance providers. Right?
Both are participants in the scam. Corporate America and the Feds supply an astronomical amount of money to this industry. Why don't individuals pay it? The answer is because of the extreme cost. Do you think health care providers want medical savings accounts? I'll bet not. What they want is to continue to submit invoices according to what they think their services are worth--not what the patient is willing to pay for them.
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Old 09-09-2009, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I strongly oppose any "public option"

I strongly oppose making health insurance mandatory

I strongly oppose the imposition of a fine if one does not have health insurance.

IMO, none of the above will happen.
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Old 09-09-2009, 04:17 PM
 
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No, I'm looking for something I could reasonably afford and pay over time if need be. A lot of "medical attention" sucks just like most drugs do. When is the last time anybody on here took a drug that was suppossed to cure something and it actually did? One drug is suppossed to treat 15 different problems--which means they don't know much about what they are really doing. However, a patient is suppossed to pay $100 for the stuff in the bottle that probably wont cure him. How many operations are really successful? The amount we are paying for healthcare isn't worth near what is being paid.
What kind of question is that? Do you truly believe that most operations are a waste of time?

My husband has had a hip and a knee replaced. Both surgeries were very successful - he is now pain free in those joints and his quality of life is greatly improved.

We have insurance, so we did not pay the full cost of his medical treatment (approx. $40k each). If you were to ask my husband, he would say that he got his money's worth from both operations.
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Old 09-09-2009, 04:22 PM
 
Location: California
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I strongly oppose any "public option"

I strongly oppose making health insurance mandatory

I strongly oppose the imposition of a fine if one does not have health insurance.

IMO, none of the above will happen.
I would oppose all that too if we all wern't stuck picking up the fallout from everyone who doesn't take care of themselves. We don't live in a vaccuum and what other people do/don't do directly effects us all. We don't have the option to just say "too bad" when other people screw up their lives. All we can do is minimumize the effects.
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Old 09-09-2009, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Health Insurance to be Mandatory Just Like Car Insurance??
There are millions of people without car insurance, especially illegals.
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Old 09-09-2009, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Both are participants in the scam. Corporate America and the Feds supply an astronomical amount of money to this industry. Why don't individuals pay it? The answer is because of the extreme cost. Do you think health care providers want medical savings accounts? I'll bet not. What they want is to continue to submit invoices according to what they think their services are worth--not what the patient is willing to pay for them.
I'm interested in which savings plan you're talking about (the one signed into law by Clinton in 1996 and expanded a few years ago, or something else).

Having said that, why would it be that you can't pay a fine (2-3% of income) for not carrying insurance but you can save enough towards medical treatment? Would having a savings plan help towards preventative care? What would constitute a requirement for you to withdraw money from the account without penalties?
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Old 09-09-2009, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Ft. Worth, TX
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What kind of question is that? Do you truly believe that most operations are a waste of time?

My husband has had a hip and a knee replaced. Both surgeries were very successful - he is now pain free in those joints and his quality of life is greatly improved.

We have insurance, so we did not pay the full cost of his medical treatment (approx. $40k each). If you were to ask my husband, he would say that he got his money's worth from both operations.
Yes my mom had both knees replaced and she is doing fine. My dad had a double bypass. Some things those surgeons are good at. Of course some surgeons are better than others. If you had good insurance that gives the medical guys access to lots of $$$$, then you get good care. OTOH, a friend of mine died at the age of 57 because of a botched bypass at the local government funded hospital here. In fact I'm typing these words in the same room he died in.

So, yes doctors are good at replacing parts and tubes, etc. That is if you get a good one and you have good insurance. Some things they are kind of good and kind of bad at (back surgery, replacing torn ligaments, etc), and some things they are just horrible at such as curing people of cancer. $300,000 for the treatment and the majority of cancer patients still die anyway.
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Old 09-09-2009, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I strongly oppose any "public option"

I strongly oppose making health insurance mandatory

I strongly oppose the imposition of a fine if one does not have health insurance.

IMO, none of the above will happen.
And yet, you likely hate people for not carrying liability insurance and make you pay for (uninsured motorists). No? Or, are you one of those who doesn't carry liability (auto) insurance because you hate it?
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Old 09-09-2009, 04:32 PM
 
Location: California
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I'm interested in which savings plan you're talking about (the one signed into law by Clinton in 1996 and expanded a few years ago, or something else).
Isn't it the HSA's, health savings accounts? High deductibles, lower costs. But you need the upfront cash to make it work. I like the idea though but I wish it were cheaper.
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Old 09-09-2009, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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And yet, you likely hate people for not carrying liability insurance and make you pay for (uninsured motorists). No? Or, are you one of those who doesn't carry liability (auto) insurance because you hate it?
"Hate" people for not carrying liability? No, I don't "hate" them.

And, uninsured motorist coverage is optional. I don't have to carry it.

So, may I suggest you stop trying to misrepresent my position on issues - or to put it another way, stop LYING about my position.

OBTW - on several my older vehicles, I don't carry liability insurance. Arizona does not require liability insurance - they do require "proof of financial stability". And you do this by depositing a minimum of $15,000 in a Certificate of Deposit, pledged to the State of Arizona - and this is used in lieu of "liability insurance".
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