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I find it more than a little hypocritical that some are offended by Wilsons behavior. Many of those on the left had no issues with trashing Bush, trashing anyone on the right . So a congressman did it? So what? No worse than those elected reps booing Bush at the end of a speech.
booing has been par for the course for quite some time, but heckling is a step beyond that.
pghquest - that is a good point. i didn't think about it that way. but if millions more people have insurance, those costs (which should go down as the number of people unable to pay for care decreases) will be divided many more times. again, what percentage of emergency room visits do you think are illegals, and why?
as someone else said, have any lawmakers made an effort to get rid of EMTALA? is that part of the republicans' plan?
That's the problem. With Barry's plan, the GOVERNMENT will dictate what an insurance will and will not cover.
You will not be able to pick and choose how much coverage you want (and thus saving). For example, if you don't want abortion coverage, you will have NO choice IF Barrack (the "truthteller" ) gets his way.
So, in the end, as with ANY government bureaucracy, you'll end up spending more money for stuff you don't want or need.
And sorry, you can't have it both ways. You are either insuring EVERYONE (by force, if necessary) or you still face rising costs due to non-insured using emergency rooms, etc...
So tell me, what insurance company do you have today that provides this type of buffet style choice?
H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
" Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
"The preceding section reiterates this, stating that “the term ‘affordable credit eligible individual’ means … an individual who is lawfully present in a State in the United States.” In other words, no federal subsidies for you if you’re in the country illegally. Besides, illegal immigrants aren’t eligible for federal health programs under current law. (Tax dollars do, however, cover emergency care.)"
I appreciated your trying to explain this to me, but I am sorry - I do not follow how any of this is logical.
Okay. Think about this. What does a "public option" cover? You know - deductible, out of pocket expenses, etc. And to think that this would mean insurance companies will lower the cost of MY existing premium - why? And if my employer cannot afford to continue paying his/her share of my premium, who is gonna pick up the tab on that?
All this is theory and as I said - Obama explained nothing. Show me the charts. I wanna see what that public option will look like.
That is what I am saying.
If I made a presentation on a project - like this President's speech - I would be fired. I am expected to provide the details - especially the financial details.
So where is at least an outline of what that public option policy would and would not contain in it as far as coverage?
No, I think you actually heard that wrong. No heavy fines.
Just as he was short on details with other aspects of obamacare, do you really think he would go into detail about how much the government will fine you if you don't get HC?
Of course not.
Baucus has a plan for $3800-4000 for those unwilling to buy insurance.
What do you think he means when he says you will be required to get insurance?
right, and when the bill comes out and illegal aliens are not covered (by a national health insurance plan, which is what he was talking about at the time), you will say "it was joe wilson's yelling that caused him to change the bill!"
Anyone home? Illegal aliens dont need to have insurance to be covered by the bill when ALL americans will be picking up the tab because hospitals have NO CHOICE but to pass their bills onto the insurance/public option..
The fact that they wont pay into a "plan" doesnt mean that we wont be picking up their tab because they STILL will receive treatment and we STILL will pay the bill..
Hell, I'd much prefer they did pay into the bill, if they are going to be receiving services, they should pay for it right? Isnt that the argument being used to make sure everyone has care? That those without care are making it expensive for those that do have it?
No limits and have to accept pre-existing conditions so people will wait until they are sick to get private insurance.
Yeah, how bad is that, trying to deny people health care when they need it the most? I mean, really? Do you know what a pre-existing condition is, momonkey? According to the insurance my DD just applied for, it is any condition you have been treated for in the past five years.
Of course it doesn't seem complicated - we haven't been given any details.
Have you ever checked out how many regs govern Medicare? If you had, then you would be as dumbfounded as I that this is the level of detail we got from our President.
I am not trying to argue. As I stated earlier, I WANT healthcare reform. I am all for it. But I want something that will lower the cost of healthcare, not just provide some mechanisms for buying insurance.
I will go to my corner now. I hope you don't feel I was just trying to be argumentative. I want answers. Perhaps it is just as you implied - and I am simply obtuse. In any case, thank you for taking the time to correspond with me on the subject.
I don't see how he could stand up there and recite every detail of the bill. I guess I just wasn't ever expecting that tonight. You asked politely. I was just trying to give you an answer.
I give Obama an A- for his speech, but he needs to be more forceful, even if means signing some sort of an executive order.
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