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Old 09-10-2009, 10:07 PM
 
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If it wasn't Mexicans doing it than it would be someone else as it has been.

Remember that Colombia and Afghanistan are also major sources of hard drugs in the US, in fact Colombia is still the #1 supplier nationwide (especially in the eastern USA).

Not to mention the CIA has a long history being involved in drug trafficking which most likely still continues although I have no proof of it existing at the current time other than pretty much every faction in Afghanistan being involved in drug trafficking and Afghanistan becoming the #2 or #3 supplier of drugs in the US (depending upon what source you read, some sources put it ahead of Mexico).

If all drug activity not just in Mexico but in all of Latin America disappeared tomorrow there would be very little disruption in supply. East and South Asia would take up the slack ASAP, and I'm sure there are already contingency plans on someone's part for exactly that.

This topic does not belong in Illegal Immigration but in Politics and Other Controversies....

Yes the CIA, and the government is sure guilty on the drug issue to this very day. 97% of cocaine, methamphetamine, marijuana and heroin come exclusively from Mexico into the U.S., along with one other drug (?) to total 5. The heroin from Afghanistan comes into Mexico to get to U.S.
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:10 PM
 
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this happened a while ago, i was interested to know the identities of the individuals. maybe there were rats among those trying to get clean, maybe some former hit men.

it sucks. they just went in and exterminated the whole lot.

but ya, what does this have to do with Ill Im?
Well it could have something to do with illegal immigration since they arrested a guy living in El Paso for killing the people at the rehab but very likely an immigrant or son of immigrants. I think it does have to do with a very open and uncontrolled border that criminals can cross back and forth as they please.

Mexico detains El Paso man, alleged 'La Linea' member for multiple homicides - El Paso Times
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:13 PM
 
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I agree. Maybe Bush should have secured the borders when he had the chance..I blame the bush crime cartel.
Yes Bush should have secured borders and so should have Clinton and so on. That's why I like Eisenhower, he deported the illegals.
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:17 PM
 
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There is a strong tie to this though as in many arrests there were drugs found along with Illegals. The smugglers will do both drugs and Illegals in the same load.
You're right. It's more about ANY kind of crime that open borders make easy. Many are involved in auto theft and carjackings, extortion on both sides of the border -- and drugs don't have to be involved at all. In Ciudad Juarez now, they are kidnapping for ransom, people who were not involved in any way with drug trafficking but appear they might have even some money. They are being kidnapped, the ransom demanded is not too high and once it's paid, the victims are released unharmed.

A couple of Mexican nationals were arrested the other week in Las Cruces for threatening a family business of a Mexican family, trying to extort money from them. Supposedly the business wasn't drug related in any way.

There's even some evidence that the border is being somewhat controlled, Americans are buying less drugs, and that's leading to an increase in violent crime like kidnapping for money because the criminals are after money any way they can get it.
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:22 PM
 
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this happened a while ago, i was interested to know the identities of the individuals. maybe there were rats among those trying to get clean, maybe some former hit men.

it sucks. they just went in and exterminated the whole lot.

but ya, what does this have to do with Ill Im?
The victims were of the Azteca gang. It's the 4th or 5th attack on a drug rehab center. Apparently most drug users in Mexico are also drug dealers and are associated with one cartel or another, so this was just part of the warfare between cartels that is taking place. Unless the Aztecas were targetted by their own cartel in which case it was punishment for some thing.
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:29 PM
 
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And what can definitely be an immigration/borders issue is this case:

Horizon City man's mutilated body found in Juárez late Tuesday - El Paso Times

A guy living in the USA side, a drug dealer was dragged out of his house in front of his wife and school kids by 3 men who took him over to Juarez and killed him, cut off his hands and left them on top of his corpse in a very public place with a note -- but I don't think they've said what the note said.

They can come over the border, abduct someone and get back over the border very easily and this makes this kind of crime almost impossible to solve. Recently they executed a drug trafficker turned snitch in broad daylight right in the street of a luxury neighborhood where he was living in El Paso.

Open borders are great for criminals of all kinds. They are open to the criminals - but the police can't go in hot pursuit over them, nor can crimes be solved easily.
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:40 PM
 
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Even a paper that tries to stay very bland like El Diario is now publishing photos with the news reports:

Cruzan secuestro y asesinato frontera | Diario.com.mx: Edición Cd. Juárez

Note on why they're posting the photo: Diario.com.mx: Edición Cd. Juárez -Apparently because this drug dealer was a USA citizen, they feel the barbarian acts should be made known internationally.

Don't look if you're squeamish, but this is the guy abducted in El Paso and taken over the border to be killed.
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:41 PM
 
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I can get behind legalizing marijuana and possibly cocaine; anything else...........in particular, Meth------------no way.
Agree on legaliziing marijuana, and meth is the worst, but cocaine bad. If drugs were legalized most of our entire law enforcement system: Police, court, jails and prisons... would be out of jobs and the downsizing wouldn't bother me, but the criteria should be to produce less addicts. If drugs were legal maybe the government would have one less reason to keep borders so open and illegal immigration flourishing, just a thought.
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:53 PM
 
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You're right. It's more about ANY kind of crime that open borders make easy. Many are involved in auto theft and carjackings, extortion on both sides of the border -- and drugs don't have to be involved at all. In Ciudad Juarez now, they are kidnapping for ransom, people who were not involved in any way with drug trafficking but appear they might have even some money. They are being kidnapped, the ransom demanded is not too high and once it's paid, the victims are released unharmed.

A couple of Mexican nationals were arrested the other week in Las Cruces for threatening a family business of a Mexican family, trying to extort money from them. Supposedly the business wasn't drug related in any way.

There's even some evidence that the border is being somewhat controlled, Americans are buying less drugs, and that's leading to an increase in violent crime like kidnapping for money because the criminals are after money any way they can get it.
Yes, I read for a few years in Tiajuana cartels are kidnapping business owners (many have fled to San Diego, U.S.), and the Revolution district in T.J. is shut down at night by business owners.

As you said, some evidence that the border is being somewhat controlled, and I think this is for what both illegals and drugs do for our government.
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Old 09-10-2009, 11:02 PM
 
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Well it could have something to do with illegal immigration since they arrested a guy living in El Paso for killing the people at the rehab but very likely an immigrant or son of immigrants. I think it does have to do with a very open and uncontrolled border that criminals can cross back and forth as they please.

Mexico detains El Paso man, alleged 'La Linea' member for multiple homicides - El Paso Times

Thank you for posting article. All we need to do is vote in the right people to control borders, not play games.
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