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Old 09-11-2009, 08:28 AM
 
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Is it okay if I just post a link to this thread when you complain about garbage being said about Obama?
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Old 09-11-2009, 08:28 AM
 
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It scary how quickly (some segments of)the American public has forgotten what a horrible president he was. Reminds me of the bumperstickers 'We Will Not Forget', 'We Will Not Forget' all over the place after 9/11...and then we invade IRAQ and completely let Osama Bin Laden slide for 8 years.
. . . all over the place after 9/11...and then we invade IRAQ and completely let GWB slide for 8 years.
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Old 09-11-2009, 08:32 AM
 
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Where is Bush? Who cares, he is not in the white house and that is all that matters.


Now lets get real --- W sucked as president that is clear. However, he didn't let 9/11 happen nor did he plan it. Osama bin Laden planned it and you are a fool indeed if you think that this plan originated on the day W was sworn into office. If Gore had been elected it still would have happened. By ignoring this fact what you are doing is desecrating the memories of those that died. Let me repeat myself -- they did not die because of W. They died because of the political/religious nutjobs who wanted to make a 'statement'.
Sarah Palin had NOTHING to do with 911.
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Old 09-11-2009, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I love how people try to give President Bush credit keeping the country safe for 7 out of his 8 years, and then give him a free pass for 9/11.

I've got news for you, if he gets the credit for the saftey, he also gets the credit for dropping the ball, and letting us be attacked as well.

Also, are we forgetting the Anthrax attacks? He didn't do so well protecting against those either. Not to mention the fact that he screwed up both wars we were in, and finally got Iraq going right after 5 years and declaring mission accomplished. Afghanistan is in worse shape now, because he turned his back on that war to finish his daddys job in Iraq.
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Old 09-11-2009, 08:43 AM
 
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I love how people try to give President Bush credit keeping the country safe for 7 out of his 8 years, and then give him a free pass for 9/11.

I've got news for you, if he gets the credit for the saftey, he also gets the credit for dropping the ball, and letting us be attacked as well.

Also, are we forgetting the Anthrax attacks? He didn't do so well protecting against those either. Not to mention the fact that he screwed up both wars we were in, and finally got Iraq going right after 5 years and declaring mission accomplished. Afghanistan is in worse shape now, because he turned his back on that war to finish his daddys job in Iraq.

W's failure with the Iraq and Afghanistan wars is clear.
But he can in no way be held responsible for 9/11 -- and unlike partisan hacks I can honestly say that had Gore been president 9/11 would still have happened and I would not blame Gore for it.

I mean - do you honestly think AQ put this plan together the day W was inaugerated?
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Old 09-11-2009, 08:49 AM
 
Location: DFW
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9/11 took years to put together. Let's give Bill Clinton at least 2/3's of the blame. There were several incidences while Bill was in office that were red flags.

A good reason we need a strong intelligence community.
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Old 09-11-2009, 08:58 AM
 
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I love how people try to give President Bush credit keeping the country safe for 7 out of his 8 years, and then give him a free pass for 9/11.

I've got news for you, if he gets the credit for the saftey, he also gets the credit for dropping the ball, and letting us be attacked as well.

Also, are we forgetting the Anthrax attacks? He didn't do so well protecting against those either. Not to mention the fact that he screwed up both wars we were in, and finally got Iraq going right after 5 years and declaring mission accomplished. Afghanistan is in worse shape now, because he turned his back on that war to finish his daddys job in Iraq.
The Bush administration did not come in to govern. They came into create chaos becasue in chaos the stealing and corruption could ensue via no bid contracts, Blackwater, Hell-iburton, etc. This is a crime family the likes of which no Mafia has ever seen. I will always refer back to what transpired in Ashcoft's hospital room as a scene right out of a Mafia movie.
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Old 09-11-2009, 09:09 AM
 
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9/11 took years to put together. Let's give Bill Clinton at least 2/3's of the blame. There were several incidences while Bill was in office that were red flags.

A good reason we need a strong intelligence community.
The Power of Nightmares - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The first part of the series explains the origin of Islamism and Neo-Conservatism. It shows Egyptian civil servant Sayyid Qutb, depicted as the founder of modern Islamist thought, visiting the U.S. to learn about the education system, but becoming disgusted with what he saw as a corruption of morals and virtues in western society through individualism.[....]

In the second episode, Islamist factions, rapidly falling under the more radical influence of Zawahiri and his rich Saudi acolyte Osama bin Laden, join the Neo-Conservative-influenced Reagan Administration to combat the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan. When the Soviets eventually pull out and when the Eastern Bloc begins to collapse in the late 1980s, both groups believe they are the primary architects of the "Evil Empire's" defeat. Curtis argues that the Soviets were on their last legs anyway, and were doomed to collapse without intervention.

However, the Islamists see it quite differently, and in their triumph believe that they had the power to create 'pure' Islamic states in Egypt and Algeria. However, attempts to create perpetual Islamic states are blocked by force. The Islamists then try to create revolutions in Egypt and Algeria by the use of terrorism to scare the people into rising up. However, the people are terrified by the violence and the Algerian government uses their fear as a way to maintain power. In the end, the Islamists declare the entire populations of the countries as inherently contaminated by western values, and finally in Algeria turn on each other, each believing that other terrorist groups are not pure enough Muslims either.

In America, the Neo-Conservatives' aspirations to use the United States military power for further destruction of evil are thrown off track by the ascent of George HW Bush to the presidency, followed by the 1992 election of Bill Clinton leaving them out of power. The Neo-Conservatives, with their conservative Christian allies, attempt to demonise Clinton throughout his presidency with various real and fabricated stories of corruption and immorality. To their disappointment, however, the American people do not turn against Clinton.

The Islamist attempts at revolution end in massive bloodshed, leaving the Islamists without popular support. Zawahiri and bin Laden flee to the sufficiently safe Afghanistan and declare a new strategy; to fight Western-inspired moral decay they must deal a blow to its source: the United States.[2]
Plus, get the US out of the Mideast and get rid of Israel.
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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W's failure with the Iraq and Afghanistan wars is clear.
But he can in no way be held responsible for 9/11 -- and unlike partisan hacks I can honestly say that had Gore been president 9/11 would still have happened and I would not blame Gore for it.

I mean - do you honestly think AQ put this plan together the day W was inaugerated?
I don't blame W for 9/11, don't get me wrong. All I'm saying is that he can't get credit for the 7 years after 9/11 that AQ didn't attack us again here either.

As has been pointed out, The attacks 8 years ago took years to plan and coordinate. It takes a long time to plan attacks of that magnitude, and thats the only reason we haven't been hit again. AQ is still out there, they are still well funded, and they still have the means to attack us again, it'll just take time.
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:03 AM
 
Location: NE PA
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I'm asking because the media is hiding him from the World
because as soon as Bush opens his mouth, everybody is gonna say
"HOLY S..., thank God we have Obama now"
I wasn't a big fan of GWB, but the longer Obama has been in office, the better Bush's presidency is looking.
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