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A bunch of old white people on SOCIAL Security, Medicare, and government subsidized drug prescription plans marching against government health care and "socialism". That along with stepford soccer moms, "Joe the Plumber" types, and country club doctors. Do these people really represent average working Americans, many who are struggling with job losses or skyrocketing health insurance premiums they can't afford and still provide other necessities for their families?
They are scared as hell about these people and their voices.
Why else would their be 20 threads on the same subject?
They are badly underestimating these people.
I dunno, most were started by the usual RW suspects.
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Estimates are all over the place. One thing is certain: the turnout was huge. Far larger than the leftwing moonbats thought possible, could ever imagine and easily one of the largest protest rallies in DC history. So poo pooing the massive turnout of patriots is important for the left. They need to discredit any opposition to their treason: transforming the country in to a workers paradise with its monolithic and totalitarian government in full bloom. Just remember: in 1989 a single protester in Tiananmen Square captured the world's attention. It is the kind of regime that protester stood up against the left wing desires for this country.
Uh, I. . . . don't. . . . think. . . . so!
BBC - h2g2 - War and Protest - the US in Vietnam (1965 - 1967) - A715024 (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:qhscJSeOkjcJ:www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A715024+vietnam+war+protests+timeline&cd=4&hl=en&c t=clnk&gl=us - broken link)
April 1967 also saw passive protest rallies and marches against the war in Vietnam, including crowds estimated at 100,000 in New York City and 50,000 in San Francisco .
On November 15, 1969 crowds estimated up to half a million people participated in an anti-war demonstration in Washington, D.C. and a similar demonstration was held in San Francisco.
This at a time when the population of the US was about half what it is now.
I was an adult back then.
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Originally Posted by groar
weren't people complaining the day before that the "left wing moonbats" were overestimating potential turnout? funny how things change.
and by the way, i think that's where this whole 2 million thing came from - someone at freedomworks was watching the news and a report was on abc about the memo from a white house aide saying that 1.5-2 million people were expected. they weren't really listening, heard "2 million", said "hot damn!" and informed their superiors, who announced it at the rally.
i don't know where the 1.2 million "police estimate" came from. i can't see how that wasn't a flat out lie, since it is documented that the police never released an estimate and the 1.2 million number doesn't seem to come from anywhere else. kinda like the lie perpetrated by the first person to take that promise keepers photo and claim it was from yesterday.
i love how some of the people who support this protest have been caught in numerous lies, distortions, and misunderstandings while trying to inflate the numbers, and they keep going on about how the left are a bunch of liars. if it really doesn't matter how many people were there, then why are you trying to inflate the numbers? stick with credible estimates, maybe they'll go up with the parks & rec count, who knows.
I think a similar thing happened when NBC supposedly opened their evening news broadcast by saying "hundreds of thousands". As soon as that was posted here on CD, I went looking for it, and couldn't find it. I think NBC knew right away it was inflated. By the time I watched the evening news at 10 PM Mountain (Midnight Eastern), they were saying "tens of thousands".
I have been in Invesco Field/Mile High Stadium when there has been a capaciaty crowd of 76,000 people. Not only are there people all around the football field, the seating goes up many rows, with each getting wider. From the pictures I have seen, it certainly doesn't look like there were any more people in DC than that.
i did see a video on msnbc's site where the reporter says that their own estimate is hundreds of thousands. but that's the only mention from them. obviously there is a huge conspiracy to cover that reporter's stunning revelation up! even fox news is in on it!
or maybe he realized he was wrong and they dropped it.
A bunch of old white people on SOCIAL Security, Medicare, and government subsidized drug prescription plans marching against government health care and "socialism". That along with stepford soccer moms, "Joe the Plumber" types, and country club doctors. Do these people really represent average working Americans, many who are struggling with job losses or skyrocketing health insurance premiums they can't afford and still provide other necessities for their families?
They are scared as hell about these people and their voices. Why else would their be 20 threads on the same subject?
Has there been ANY of these threads that was not started by some right-winger trying to spin what was a modest protest rally into some epochal turning point of history? We've seen claims of going beyond the Bonus March of 1932 and even the 1963 "I Have a Dream" March on Washington. ALL OF THAT is total crap and it is all coming from the right-wing. False claims, bogus photographs -- nothing but the same sort of crude fiction that this group posts every day. All that the lefties have tried to do is expose the fact of such lying and distortion.
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Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90
They are badly underestimating these people.
Take an actually reasonable estimate of attendance at yesterday's rally and multiply it by a thousand. That's about how many people do not have health care coverage in this country. Those are the people who are being badly underestimated.
PS. Don't even bother trying to hijack the thread with with the usual knee-jerk fraud response about how all these uninsured people are really just illegal aliens, young people who don't want insurance, people who are eligible for state programs but don't apply, or those who are just "between jobs" at the moment. That crap has been debunked enough by now.
we don't know the crowd density so it's hard to say how the numbers compare, but it's pretty solid evidence that there is no way a million or more protesters fit into the space they filled. 1.2 million people PACKED in fills the entire mall. the protesters, by their own admission, only filled the baseball diamond-looking space by the capitol, and the photos shown to prove how dense they were around the reflecting pool definitely doesn't show 1 person per 2.5 feet, which is what the parks service used to make the estimates in this diagram. the line where the space becomes rectangular is third street. the third dot from the left is the 500,000 people mark, which the protesters didn't even get close to. the last dot is 1.2 million.
The U.S. population is close to 310,000,000 so even if you doubled or even tripled the (1.5 mill) attendance numbers, (somebody do the math percentage), I'm pretty sure it would still equal = FAIL!
And that is precisely why the number of attendees is being discussed as if it matters. Each side seems to think that the more people attending, the more successful it is. Fewer people equal failure. Nothing about the message or the numbers watching at home who could not attend but support the agenda. Just another stupid political tactic.
And that is precisely why the number of attendees is being discussed as if it matters. Each side seems to think that the more people attending, the more successful it is. Fewer people equal failure. Nothing about the message or the numbers watching at home who could not attend but support the agenda. Just another stupid political tactic.
What about the big RW talking point "where there's a will, there's a way"?
i dunno, i think the number of people who actually take the time to protest means something. it meant something with the iraq war protests and it means something with these protests. you'd think many on the right would at least be consistent, and think it also means something when 250-500k protest against the war, but oh well. i don't know what your political views are but at least you're consistent and that's cool. either big protests are significant or they're not. they're not just significant when the protesters are on your side.
that being said, i have said repeatedly that 70k, or 50k, or 30k is a respectable, noteworthy turnout. there is no need for people to make themselves look silly with claims over a million.
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