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Old 09-12-2009, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Not only communist, but socialist, marxist, fascist, and nazzi like. LOL. The insanity!!!!!!
But can they cure Swine Flu

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Old 09-12-2009, 11:05 PM
 
Location: east of my daughter-north of my son
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And that's going to by popular with the AARP crowd

Old people love to cash their Socialism Security checks (which I contribute to but will probably never ever benefit from) yet they have a problem with extending any type of "socialist" benefits to school children or young, working people.
I have been paying to receive my SOCIAL SECURITY and Medicare benefits for 40 years now. It's my money. I have paid into into it and frankly I want it when the time comes. If it's not here when you are ready to collect, contact your congressman. And even though you consider it socialism security, I assume if there is money left when it's your time, your conscience will allow you to receive your benefits. That you've paid for. But from a socialist program.

If the people that think like you want to end the program, end it for yourselves. Leave my money alone.

Nobody helped me when I was a young working person. So deal with it.

And just what are us old people keeping from school children? I work in a school and would be interested in knowing what the kids are being deprived of. Except enough funding which comes from the taxes everyone complains about.

So if you have all the answers and all the experience please share.
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Old 09-12-2009, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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I have been paying to receive my SOCIAL SECURITY and Medicare benefits for 40 years now. It's my money. I have paid into into it and frankly I want it when the time comes. If it's not here when you are ready to collect, contact your congressman. And even though you consider it socialism security, I assume if there is money left when it's your time, your conscience will allow you to receive your benefits. That you've paid for. But from a socialist program.

If the people that think like you want to end the program, end it for yourselves. Leave my money alone.

Nobody helped me when I was a young working person. So deal with it.

And just what are us old people keeping from school children? I work in a school and would be interested in knowing what the kids are being deprived of. Except enough funding which comes from the taxes everyone complains about.

So if you have all the answers and all the experience please share.
But there lies the rub, it isn't YOUR money and if they opt out You get screwed. Freedomworks Suit would make it voluntary so they will opt out and both Social Security and Medcicare will collapse
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Old 09-12-2009, 11:24 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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I have been paying to receive my SOCIAL SECURITY and Medicare benefits for 40 years now. It's my money. I have paid into into it and frankly I want it when the time comes. If it's not here when you are ready to collect, contact your congressman. And even though you consider it socialism security, I assume if there is money left when it's your time, your conscience will allow you to receive your benefits. That you've paid for. But from a socialist program.

If the people that think like you want to end the program, end it for yourselves. Leave my money alone.

Nobody helped me when I was a young working person. So deal with it.

And just what are us old people keeping from school children? I work in a school and would be interested in knowing what the kids are being deprived of. Except enough funding which comes from the taxes everyone complains about.

So if you have all the answers and all the experience please share.
The money that you (and all of the other elderly) paid into Socialism Security does not even begin to cover the amount that you take out of it. There are old people receiving monthly payments who did not pay a substantial amount into it (such as elderly women who maybe worked part time or are receiving their husband's portion)

Personally, I would love it if we got rid of Socialism Security and replaced it with something that will actually benefit MY generation (ie Universal Healthcare)

Since, I don't think that Socialism Security will be around when I get old I have been investing my own money in prep for my retirement. The older people of today who didn't properly plan for retirement should not be getting a portion of MY paycheck.

I find it quite ironic that they will fight tooth & nail against Healthcare Reform (calling it Socialism) solely because it doesn't benefit them. The level of hypocracy and selfishness is unprecedented.
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Old 09-13-2009, 12:21 AM
 
Location: east of my daughter-north of my son
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The money that you (and all of the other elderly) paid into Socialism Security does not even begin to cover the amount that you take out of it. There are old people receiving monthly payments who did not pay a substantial amount into it (such as elderly women who maybe worked part time or are receiving their husband's portion)

Personally, I would love it if we got rid of Socialism Security and replaced it with something that will actually benefit MY generation (ie Universal Healthcare)

Since, I don't think that Socialism Security will be around when I get old I have been investing my own money in prep for my retirement. The older people of today who didn't properly plan for retirement should not be getting a portion of MY paycheck.

I find it quite ironic that they will fight tooth & nail against Healthcare Reform (calling it Socialism) solely because it doesn't benefit them. The level of hypocracy and selfishness is unprecedented.
A lot of older people prepared for retirement including myself. But the fact remains that I want the money I put in. Social Security benefits are based on how many years you worked and how much you paid in. There are other criteria. Research it. There should have been more than enought money. Look to the people that oversee these programs and ask them where the money is gone. It would be ignorant to pay into something and not want the money back.

Another person who believes they know what every "elderly" person thinks and is for and against. Must be nice to have that power. I for one believe we need drastic changes in our healthcare system. Every single one of the geriatric crowd I know support it. Why you ask? Because we all have children and grandchildren dealing with all this health insurance crap. And AARP has come out in support of heathcare reform. Oh wait. Are you one of those that think AARP has the same commie agenda as Obama?

And by the way, myself along with so many women my age and yours manage to work full time and raise families so save you little labels for somebody else.

I'm still waiting to find out what we big bad old people have done to the little kids.

If I didn't know so many wonderful and smart people of your generation, I would be tempted to lump you all together as selfish crybabies who have a lot to learn. But I won't disrespect them because of someone like you and the hatred you spew.

And honey, I'm not elderly. I will be someday and so will you. Remember that.
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Old 09-13-2009, 12:41 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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A lot of older people prepared for retirement including myself. And a lot did not. But the fact remains that I want the money I put in. And then some. Social Security benefits are based on how many years you worked and how much you paid in. There are other criteria. Research it. There should have been more than enought money. Look to the people that oversee these programs and ask them where the money is gone. It would be ignorant to pay into something and not want the money back.

Another person who believes they know what every "elderly" person thinks and is for and against. Must be nice to have that power. Your reading comprehension is slipping because I never said I knew what every older person thinks. However, a lot of older people are selfish and have a sense of entitlement simply because they have reached a certain age. I for one believe we need drastic changes in our healthcare system. Every single one of the geriatric crowd I know support it. Why you ask? Because we all have children and grandchildren dealing with all this health insurance crap. And AARP has come out in support of heathcare reform. Oh wait. Are you one of those that think AARP has the same commie agenda as Obama? The older generation also has a tendency towards bigotry.

And by the way, myself along with so many women my age and yours manage to work full time and raise families so save you little labels for somebody else.

I'm still waiting to find out what we big bad old people have done to the little kids.

If I didn't know so many wonderful and smart people of your generation, I would be tempted to lump you all together as selfish crybabies who have a lot to learn. But I won't disrespect them because of someone like you and the hatred you spew.

And honey, I'm not elderly. Elderly women attempt to be patronizing by saying "honey" I will be someday and so will you. Remember that.
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Old 09-13-2009, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I have been working for over 30 years and I have never received an unemployment check, but I don't have a problem paying into it. Do those people against health care reform with a public option also oppose unemployment insurance?
If you can get an unemployment check without a socialist insecurity account number, then no, there's no problem.

But eligibility for socialist benefits like unemployment require that you voluntarily surrender your birthright of sovereignty, freedom, and independence, for the "benefits" of participation in their abomination.

What most Americans don't realize - America has been socialist since 1935. The implementation was done by small steps, so as not to rattle the chains and spook the sheeple.
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Old 09-13-2009, 01:03 AM
 
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But eligibility for socialist benefits like unemployment require that you voluntarily surrender your birthright of sovereignty, freedom, and independence, for the "benefits" of participation in their abomination.
Oh, loosen your tinfoil. A few people have managed to survive fairly well in the last eighty years of slavery.

Do you have the slightest idea WHY Social Security was necessary?
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Old 09-13-2009, 01:05 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Who can collect for 2 years???? I have NEVER heard of anyone collecting for that long. I am pretty sure the MAX is 26 weeks and you have to qualify for that.

Regardless of which state you live in, you'll receive a weekly unemployment benefit based on how long you were employed and your prior wages. The state will calculate your average weekly wage, and you will receive a percentage of that wage based on your state's formula. You can figure out your average weekly wage by adding up 12 months' worth of pay stubs and dividing that number by 52. If you were salaried, just divide your annual salary by 52.

A few points of clarification (some of which have been already made. The starting point is 26 weeks, however their have been multiple extensions. The federal government have given a few extensions (depending on the unemployment rate in each state) and some states have given their own extensions on top of the federal benefits.

As far as the % goes, its 1/2 your weekly average here in NY (not sure if the % is the same in each state or if it differs by each state) however their is a cap (which also differs by state). Here in NY that cap is $405 a week (though an extra $25 has been added to make $430 the max you can receive) So if you are making less than $860 a week, you would be entitled to 1/2 of what you earned, however if you were making more than $860 a week, which would put the 50% mark at higher than $430, you would still be maxed out at $430 a week,

The maxes differ state by state and the gaps can be pretty large. Massachusetts has the largest max at $900 a week, Mississippi has the lowest max at $210 a week
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Old 09-13-2009, 01:09 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Oh, loosen your tinfoil. A few people have managed to survive fairly well in the last eighty years of slavery.

Do you have the slightest idea WHY Social Security was necessary?
Have you read the law?
Have you read any of the myriad obligations, as codified in Title 42 of the United States code, that come with "voluntary servitude"?

And do you believe it is moral to compel others to labor for your benefit?

I don't.

And as to the necessity, you would have to first read the law, and contact the Congressional Research Service and ask the question:
Do participants have a property right in their "entitlements"?

Their answer was surprising: There are no property rights in entitlements. They are synonymous with "gifts" from the public treasury, and Congress is under no obligation to pay them.

What millions of Americans are ignorant of is that their "participation" as contributors equally liable for the public debt underwrote the bankrupted Congress. Congress is the real beneficiary of the Federal Insurance Contribution Act.

The day that 51% leave SocSec is the day that Congress is foreclosed by the creditor...
But that day is far off.
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