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[quote=calipoppy;10733503]The money that you (and all of the other elderly) paid into Socialism Security does not even begin to cover the amount that you take out of it. There are old people receiving monthly payments who did not pay a substantial amount into it (such as elderly women who maybe worked part time or are receiving their husband's portion)
Personally, I would love it if we got rid of Socialism Security and replaced it with something that will actually benefit MY generation (ie Universal Healthcare)
Since, I don't think that Socialism Security will be around when I get old I have been investing my own money in prep for my retirement. The older people of today who didn't properly plan for retirement should not be getting a portion of MY paycheck.
I find it quite ironic that they will fight tooth & nail against Healthcare Reform (calling it Socialism) solely because it doesn't benefit them. The level of hypocracy and selfishness is unprecedented.[/QUOTE]
I believe this is where you lump the older people of today as one. This would seem to include every older person. Or is it only those who didn't prepare for retirement? And are those the sames ones against healthcare reform? And if so, where are you getting your numbers about the people that have saved and those that didn't? I see nowhere where you have stated some older people or a group of older people. Oh wait, now you are saying a lot. I should have forseen that you would make that change. Sorry.
Or is it only the old geezers that didn't properly prepare for retirement shouldn't get a portion of your check but those that did prepare can? And it's okay?
The old ones fighting tooth and nail against reform calling it Socialism. Aren't you calling SS socialism security because it might not benefit you?
Perhaps then it's not my reading comprehension skills slipping. Perhaps you were not clear in your post about how many older people are such a problem to you.
Another blanket statement: the older generation has a tendency towards biogtry? You don't want to go there with me. I have seen more in my life than you ever will when it comes to bigogty. It's the old freaking people that made it easier for humans like you to have it a little easier than we did. How totally rude and insulting. You should apologize to the ones that came before you for that. But I doubt you have the class to do it.
And since you think I am elderly, the honey seemed appropriate. If you don't give respect, don't expect any in return.
No it is something as you said you have been paying into and if you did not you would not get it. With health care everyone no matter of they paid or not will get it. Two very different issues.
No............. If you lose your job you get unemployment payments. If you are ill you get healthcare. Both systems are the same but for different problems. Unemployment payments are NO different to health payments.
Both are "Socialist"
If you say one is OK then so is the other.
Private employers pay a tax to finance the unemployment benefits paid to their former employees. For most employers, this tax rate goes up or down depending upon how much their former workers collect. Some organizations (usually non-profit or government agencies) reimburse the state, dollar for dollar, for any unemployment benefits paid by the state, in lieu of paying the tax.
Generally, employers must pay both state and federal unemployment taxes if: (1) they pay wages to employees totaling $1,500, or more, in any quarter of a calendar year; or, (2) they had at least one employee during any day of a week during 20 weeks in a calendar year, regardless of whether or not the weeks were consecutive.
I have been working for over 30 years and I have never received an unemployment check, but I don't have a problem paying into it. Do those people against health care reform with a public option also oppose unemployment insurance?
No. Those people need short term assistance and deserve it. They, for the most part, will return to the workforce and will not turn thier situation into a generational practice of dependency. I, thankfully, have never needed government assistance and never will. However, unemployment is far different from welfare, in that there is the implied agreement of returning to productivity after the short term support ends. It is a decent thing to do for decent people.
It is analagous to those calling veterans benefits "socialist". In my opinion, nothing is "given" to the Vets at all. They earned every penny and we should thank God that such men still serve the country. I think we owe them much more than they recieve at this point, as it is nearly impossible to put a dollar figure on the physical and mental sacrifice that they made for thier fellow citizens. If my taxes went up 10% to pay for more Vet benefits, I would not bat an eye. If taxes go up for government waste and socialist dependency programs to support people who have never tried to better themselves, I would be very upset.
I have been working for over 30 years and I have never received an unemployment check, but I don't have a problem paying into it. Do those people against health care reform with a public option also oppose unemployment insurance?
The appropriate analogy is not with socialized health care but with insurance company run health care. Both are insurances. Socialized health care is not.
Unemployment insurance pays when you lose your job. Medical insurance pays when you need health care. Do people whose medical bills never equal what they (and/or their employers) pay for insurance have a problem paying into that system?
Personally, I would love it if we got rid of Socialism Security and replaced it with something that will actually benefit MY generation (ie Universal Healthcare)
The last thing we need in this country is an "age war". Social Security did a lot to end poverty among the elderly.
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Originally Posted by geeoro
No............. If you lose your job you get unemployment payments. If you are ill you get healthcare. Both systems are the same but for different problems. Unemployment payments are NO different to health payments.
Both are "Socialist"
If you say one is OK then so is the other.
A few points of clarification (some of which have been already made. The starting point is 26 weeks, however their have been multiple extensions. The federal government have given a few extensions (depending on the unemployment rate in each state) and some states have given their own extensions on top of the federal benefits.
As far as the % goes, its 1/2 your weekly average here in NY (not sure if the % is the same in each state or if it differs by each state) however their is a cap (which also differs by state). Here in NY that cap is $405 a week (though an extra $25 has been added to make $430 the max you can receive) So if you are making less than $860 a week, you would be entitled to 1/2 of what you earned, however if you were making more than $860 a week, which would put the 50% mark at higher than $430, you would still be maxed out at $430 a week,
The maxes differ state by state and the gaps can be pretty large. Massachusetts has the largest max at $900 a week, Mississippi has the lowest max at $210 a week
No............. If you lose your job you get unemployment payments. If you are ill you get healthcare. Both systems are the same but for different problems. Unemployment payments are NO different to health payments.
Both are "Socialist"
If you say one is OK then so is the other.
No it IS different. As I said with unemployment you pay into over time you can not get unemployment if you have not worked for a certain amount of time. Health care will give benefits to people who have paid nothing that IS two very different issues.
No it is paid by the employer because they are taxed but that tax is passed onto the workers. If you have ever received a pay check it clearly states the amount being taken from YOUR check to be paid into unemployment.
Unemployemnt liie medical is a part of your compensation. just as many executive have a severance clause in their employment contract.Social is is the control of the means of production and the goods created.Union s are not per say socialist by their contracts;its the governamnt doing things like they did in the chrysler deal that makes them socialist.They did overide the bankrupsy laws by anyhting other than politcal association to the Obama administration. this will have consequeneces for many yearsin corporate americans wanting to be in any private'governament co-operative agreement.It pretty well killed investors wanting to get involved in a governamnt /private deal on the toxic assets.
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