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"You could pick either the German system, the Dutch system - even more so as they allow for profit-orientated insurance companies - or the Swiss system," he continued. "All these systems are fairly similar in having a structured, regulated market for private insurers, either non-profit or profit-making."
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The Dutch system has cut in recent years...
Dental procedures to only one visit a year, unless something urgent is necessary. For years you had 2 or more cleanings. More treatments willhave to be partialy paid by the patient.
Pap Smear test/mammograms, once every 5 years! And soon they will do the self test at home...A New Frontier in Awkward: Do Your Own Pap-Smears (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:U_9rglvVAIwJ:medgadget.com/archives/2007/04/a_new_frontier.html+netherlands+pap+smear+test,+ho w+many+times&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us - broken link)
Physical therapy went down in times you can have the therapy from 20 to 16 to 10/12 times a year...
Going to a specialist...only if your primary physician thinks you should go, if you disagree...too bad.
Death panels...well they aren't really called that way but 2 years ago we experienced it our self...cost were weighed and although my family member him self would never have wanted it because of religion issues, he was voted....out!
The primary physician of another family member told us that for a 75 yr old lady a blood pressure of 175/125 is tottaly perfect. You just add the age on top of the hundred and that is how it should be!!!! She was admitted over here when she got 225/125 after arriving for a vacation over here and had to stay here for over 3 months...wnet back with all medical results that were taken within 24 hours and we knew moe what was wrong than in the 25 yrs of going to se a doctor in The Netherlands and hearing "you are old you have to understand that things come with age", no MRI's, No 'Scan's....we have all the reports and hardly anything was good with her...when she died she had pancreatis, enlarge hearth because of the blood pressure (she only weight 110 lbs, 5.8") pats of the brain function wasn't working anymore, lungs weren't good, etc...
This is what Obama is approving off, just to let you know...if you thinks the system is for you, great start preparing for long waiting times at doctor offices, pharmacies, weeks waiting to get into a specialist office and whn my dad needed bypass surgery 20 years ago (lucku as he was that he wasn't 60 yrs ol, he was 59)....he had to be on a waiting list for 6 months for a bed in the hospital.
Btw for man and woman who love to share rooms, good news...almost all hospitals have 6 bedroom rooms and man and woman share them, isn't that great, specially when you share the room with a person who is really sick and you can enjoy all the sounds...makes you really want to go home faster...and that is what it is all about...save cost!
Delivery of babies...unless you have an medical indication you have to deliver the baby at home...you know how much a hospital cost to stay...get the baby at home...nice and btw forget the pain medication...too expensive so they willtell you that most woman get babies and they all survided...great isn't it.
Our first born took 12 hours, no pain medication, but mommy survived and true a person can handle the pain, is it nice...NO not at all, but it save money!
The second...took even longer and got stuck, they tried all the things from the book...too bad ...a c-section...nice finally pain medication but for the first night after the delivery when the pain was even worse...the doctor said "you have gotten a baby isn't that a joyful moment, you will be able to handle the pain, think about the beautiful baby"!....wow that helps if the person is in so much pain!
But Dutch health care is great, all illegals will receive care, great isn't it!
You are completely right. In fact, there will be NO healthcare for Americans....only for illegals. You will find Americans dead in the streets. I mean, Obama would have a good reason for doing that, right?
I am going outside to run around screaming right now.
I thought the Dutch health care system was majority private insurance companies......
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Because Dutch insurers must take all applicants, the government “obliges each person who legally lives or works in [the Netherlands] to buy individual private health insurance.” If the government didn’t insist that everyone buy insurance, many people would wait until they were sick before they applied—safe in the knowledge that the insurer would have to take them, and cannot hike the premium. (This why any system that won’t let insurers discriminate against the sick must include a “mandate.”) The government also lays out what must be included in the basic benefit package: physicians’ services, hospital care, medications, physiotherapy and dental treatment for children.
Percentage of GDP spent on health care: 11.6 Average monthly family premium: $750, paid entirely by consumers; there are government subsidies for low-income citizens. Co-payments: 10 percent of the cost of services, up to $420 per year. What is it? The Swiss system is social insurance like in Japan and Germany, voted in by a national referendum in 1994. Switzerland didn't have far to go to achieve universal coverage; 95 percent of the population already had voluntary insurance when the law was passed. All citizens are required to have coverage; those not covered were automatically assigned to a company. The government provides assistance to those who can't afford the premiums. How does it work? The Swiss example shows that universal coverage is possible, even in a highly capitalist nation with powerful insurance and pharmaceutical industries. Insurance companies are not allowed to make a profit on basic care and are prohibited from cherry-picking only young and healthy applicants. They can make money on supplemental insurance, however. As in Germany, the insurers negotiate with providers to set standard prices for services, but drug prices are set by the government. What are the concerns? The Swiss system is the second most expensive in the world -- but it's still far cheaper than U.S. health care. Drug prices are still slightly higher than in other European nations, and even then the discounts may be subsidized by the more expensive U.S. market, where some Swiss drug companies make one-third of their profits. In general, the Swiss do not have gatekeeper doctors, although some insurance plans require them or give a discount to consumers who use them.
The OP does not even know where the Netherlands is, probably has never been out of Texas. You have no clue what you are talking about!
Wow...Jij bent een aardrijkskundig kenner en wereld reiziger!
Geboren en getogen Nederlander!
I was born and raised there!...btw way how did you get so "smart" to talk about Texas?
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...btw way how did you get so "smart" to talk about Texas?
