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Old 09-24-2009, 01:43 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948 View Post
46 million americans are uninsured & 21 million illegals google it-- all are uninsured
--350 million people live here in total-- now you could do the math which is 19%-- but
then again did you say they choose not to have health insurance.
i entirely agree. the reason they are suffering and hungry is because they are lazy.
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marie antoinette
Last time I checked (which was less than a year ago), the U.S. population was 305 million.....I would think that does NOT include any one here illegally.
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Old 09-24-2009, 02:41 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Yes, that is right.
I chose Revenue because that is what their annual report lists plainly enough.

If they also listed where the majority of their money was spent, I missed it.
But your argument might carry some weight if we knew that information and it was simply a case of increasing usage (customers).

Steady?
Nearly multiplied revenue by 5?

Maybe unitedhealth is an outlier.
Total revenue is completely irrelevant if that's the only figure you're going to quote.....the cost to operate has to be subtracted from it. You can have revenue of a trillion dollars but, if your operating costs were 1.1 trillion, that trillion in revenue means you ended 100 billion in the red.

There are pages of accounting figures in an annual report. If you're not sure where to find what their expenses and operating costs were, where do you get off insisting that they had excessive profits that have been hidden due to the large bonuses they paid out to their executives.

You don't increase your profit margin as your sales volume increases.....you don't have to.....if anything you decrease it, so you can continue to have increases in sales volume (because you've lowered your rates and made yourself more competitive). You don't need to make as much profit per unit if you're selling twice as many units each year compared to the previous year. You're sales volume doesn't increase every year because you charge more money for the product you sell than anyone else, that also sells the same product.

Yes, they had steady increases in sales volume over ten years (actually their was a big jump in 2006) but, what does having almost a 500% increase in sales volume over 10 years prove without citing any other figures. What if 10 years ago you're annual gross income (before taxes) was $10,000 and since then it's gone up 500%....so now you're making $50,000. Does that mean you're rich....that you're income is now excessive? Of course not, it depends on how much you worked, what you're occupation was and what expenses you had then compared to now. Let's say 10 years ago you were still in high school so, you lived at home (and mom and dad paid for everything) and you worked part-time in the arcade at the mall....and now you have a college degree, you're married with three kids (so if you're wife works you have to pay for day-care for three children), you have a mortgage, two car loans and all the other bills you get in life (utility bill, groceries, etc.)....are you rich....is your gross income excessive because it's increased 500% in 10 years?
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Old 09-24-2009, 06:35 AM
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You can quote all the statistics you can find. When a pair of eyeglasses costs $1200, something is WRONG. And if the President is the only person in a position of authority willing to do something about that, then he deserves a hell of a lot more support than he's getting.
Obama isn't speaking about the cost of eyeglasses... which is not part of insurance... (?)..

a company charges what people are WILLING to pay for something. Insurance is not the "Willing" partner as most people go in and say... "Oh.. look its $1200, but thats ok I have insurance and they can pay for it"..

Then insurance says " Hmm... we will only cover $800 of your $1200 eyeglasses"

Then a company goes... "Wow, thats a $400 LOSS on an item we THOUGHT was worth $1200...We need to RAISE the prices so we can cover our assets as now we are $400 in the hole" this "loss" is then passed onto consumers who pay out of pocket...

Thus creating a HUGE cycle of idiocy...

So to say Obama is doing something about it is ridiculous considering what he wants to do with INSURANCE... and not the COST of these items...

I don't understand why people don't get that!
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Old 09-24-2009, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Ask yourself why the Health Ins Companies so against reform and so willing to spend millions to try to prevent it? I think the answer is quite clear.
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Old 10-25-2009, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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More confirmation that obama's rhetoric against HC insurers - just a bunch of BS.

My Way News - FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat

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Profits barely exceeded 2 percent of revenues in the latest annual measure. This partly explains why the credit ratings of some of the largest insurers were downgraded to negative from stable heading into this year, as investors were warned of a stagnant if not shrinking market for private plans.

Health insurers posted a 2.2 percent profit margin last year, placing them 35th on the Fortune 500 list of top industries. As is typical, other health sectors did much better - drugs and medical products and services were both in the top 10.
A very good analysis of the reality.
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