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Old 09-23-2009, 09:04 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Sorry, none of these approach the global nature of either of the 20th century's world wars. They were more in the nature of police actions, which I hope we will avoid in the future. The frightening prospect of the current president emulating LBJ both domestically and in foreign quagmires does not offer much hope, however.

And Russia was as afraid of us as we were of her -- that is all that kept the peace. For that reason, let's hope Mr. Obama does not become excessively reassuring in his overtures to Mr. Putin.
Um, since when were we comparing today's wars to WWII?

This was not about that, it was about which countries are most peaceful, and which are most warlike. I am actually surprised that we aren't considered the most warlike in the world, but some of those African and Asian countries are constantly at war, so I guess we can't win everything.

Remember, I am a military veteran, serving in the US Navy, so my opinions of our mlitary are positive and based on personal experience.
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Old 09-23-2009, 09:21 AM
 
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It's only been 60 years...and 40 of those years were spent at war with a country we were too afraid to engage, so we just fought smaller battles (Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Central America, Afghanistan, etc.). And since the cold war ended, we've involved numerous other countries in our own military endeavours, including: Kosovo, Kuwait, Iraq and The War on Terror. So there's no way anyone can say we're anything but one of the most warlike countries in the world. And that's not including the wars in our inner cities, the most dangerous and crime-ridden in the 1st world.
WAR IS A RACKET
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WAR IS A RACKET - Major General Smedley D. Butler - USMC Retired
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Old 09-23-2009, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Um, since when were we comparing today's wars to WWII?

This was not about that, it was about which countries are most peaceful, and which are most warlike. I am actually surprised that we aren't considered the most warlike in the world, but some of those African and Asian countries are constantly at war, so I guess we can't win everything.

Remember, I am a military veteran, serving in the US Navy, so my opinions of our mlitary are positive and based on personal experience.
I was merely addressing your decision to list every foreign engagement in which the US has participated as somehow indicative of our lack of "peacefulness." My point was to suggest that some of our military adventures have had global consequences which have cultivated more peaceable attitudes in the long run, espeically among our former adversaries. If you can accept my perspective, you might be inclined to doubt the relevance of things as absurdly conceived as a "global peace index".

Vietnam infantry vet here.
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:55 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I was merely addressing your decision to list every foreign engagement in which the US has participated as somehow indicative of our lack of "peacefulness." My point was to suggest that some of our military adventures have had global consequences which have cultivated more peaceable attitudes in the long run, espeically among our former adversaries. If you can accept my perspective, you might be inclined to doubt the relevance of things as absurdly conceived as a "global peace index".

Vietnam infantry vet here.
Um, those engagements I listed WERE signs of our lack of peacefulness. We didn't NEED to enter into ANY of those wars. We chose to because of our assumed role as the international police.

I question the validity because I think we should be the #1 most warlike country. We have a massive standing military, we spend countless money on research and development, we have an incredibly developed war industry and I can't name a time in the past 60 years when we weren't militarily involved. Compare us to Europe, most of Asia, South America and pretty much every other nation, we're far more warlike.

What I don't get is how you ALWAYS deny facts and statistics and yet you believe rumors...
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Um, those engagements I listed WERE signs of our lack of peacefulness. We didn't NEED to enter into ANY of those wars. We chose to because of our assumed role as the international police.
Hindsight is 50-50. I'm sure the South Koreans, among others, would not share your views.

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question the validity because I think we should be the #1 most warlike country. We have a massive standing military, we spend countless money on research and development, we have an incredibly developed war industry and I can't name a time in the past 60 years when we weren't militarily involved. Compare us to Europe, most of Asia, South America and pretty much every other nation, we're far more warlike.
No, we're far more generous -- by acting as their proxy police force, as you stated above.

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What I don't get is how you ALWAYS deny facts and statistics and yet you believe rumors...
Facts and statistics can be manipulated to suit any doctoral dissertation. Take it from me -- I read them al the time. One man's militarism is another woman's evidence of too much sugar in the diet...
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