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Old 09-23-2009, 05:42 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The level of ignorance about climate change is staggering. It's all about politics for the skeptics/deniers. If the libruls believe it, it MUST be a lie! Pathetic.
nahhh, I think you need to see the fact that liberals want control of something here. It's not about the real needs and the real issues, it's about control. I personally can think of a lot of ways true conservation and less pollution can be achieved without the need for heavy handed government. I'm sure most people can if they actually sat down and thought about it.
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Old 09-23-2009, 05:42 PM
 
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You're aware I'm sure that at one time the Arctic Circle was a virtually a tropical paradise?
I heard it was Bush's fault.
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Old 09-23-2009, 05:49 PM
 
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And in the same article:

This summer Arctic sea ice shrank to only 1.97 square miles (5.1 million square kilometers). The 2009 drop is still the third largest on record, but it's not as big as some scientists had feared

However, that scenario required Arctic sea ice to shrink at the record-setting pace of summer 2007, when sea ice coverage dropped to 1.6 million square miles (4.13 million square kilometers)


Meier cautions the new findings do not mean the Arctic is in recovery, or that global warming is slowing down.

"I look at it as a one-year reprieve," he said. "I don't expect that to continue."

For one thing, this year's ice is thinner than in the past, and thus more vulnerable to future melt.


Gee, I can't imagine how you missed quoting those excerpts.

Leave science to the scientists. Science isn't the business of picking and choosing the parts that confirm your already arrived at conclusions.


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North Pole May Be Ice-Free for First Time This Summer

June 20, 2008



That was then...this is now;

Arctic Ice to Last Decades Longer Than Thought?

September 21, 2009



Cooler than expected, you say?

And where did that expectation come from?



The models that are used to predict global-warming. Is this not the most hilarious outcome imaginable?

Somebody alert The Goreacle so he can stop making a fool of himself.

So..what does that tell us about those climate change models?

I'll answer that - they can't predict squat, not even year to year and certainly not 40 years out.

2008/2009 - the year the GL hoax was exposed.
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Old 09-23-2009, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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This year's cooler-than-expected summer means the Arctic probably won't experience ice-free summers until 2030 or 2040, scientists say.
You know what they say GIGO - garbage in, garbage out.

The GW models are seriously defective.
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:03 PM
 
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You know what they say GIGO - garbage in, garbage out.

The GW models are seriously defective.
I thought that was referring to Fox and their viewers.

What computer modeling or simulations do you have experience with?
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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In this case, not much experience is needed. All one needs to note is the predictions of the last few decades that have not come true. Even from year to year, as this "new" estimate on Arctic Ice is made public.
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:11 PM
 
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In this case, not much experience is needed.
And there you have it. Scientific understanding requires no experience or understanding, just common sense, intuition, and a healthy dose of preconceived notions outweighs all the papers published by the experts.
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:12 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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In this case, not much experience is needed. All one needs to note is the predictions of the last few decades that have not come true. Even from year to year, as this "new" estimate on Arctic Ice is made public.
You are preaching to the choir. As another poster put, "they can't even predict the day to day weather..."!
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:13 PM
 
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Anything other than the most simplistic modeling programs are inherently biased. Most are written by those in the field themselves. They automatically include a bias in the presumetive outcome of any given input / output scenario.
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:14 PM
 
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And there you have it. Scientific understanding requires no experience or understanding, just common sense, intuition, and a healthy dose of preconceived notions outweighs all the papers published by the experts.
ok....there are just as many "papers" and "experts" that refute your claims. Is this a stale mate? or check mate?
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