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Old 09-23-2009, 01:33 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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In the forty years since the first Earth Day, people have been screeching that mankind's activities have been having deleterious effects on the earth's climate. They have also been digging and digging for proof of this... and have come up empty.

In those 40 years, not a single study has been done that has proven an link between human activity and climate change, despite all the demand for such a result. Many "studies" have pointed to a cooling trend, and then pointed to increased use of fossil fuels (coal, oil etc.) by man. And then they have jumped to the conclusion that the one causes the other, without actually demonstrating any causal relationship.

More recently, the same thing has been done with the idea of global warming, apparently ignoring all the previous "conclusions" that the globe was cooling. And most recently of all, the advocates of all this stuff have thrown up their hands and announced that the problem is "global climate change", carefully avoiding specifying what change that is.

A number of reports have also come out, citing the previous reports as "evidence" that they have proved their point on global warming, or cooling, or whatever... without mentioning the fact that the previous reports contained no such evidence, but only more jumping to conclusions.

With all this non-evidence rising to a crescendo, Barack Obama has now announced that we must expend massive resources (exact amount not specified) to change the climate. The fact that no one has ever shown that man can do that at all, or that he can do it in the future, seems to not bother him. He even seems to feel that this effort to change the climate, must supersede our efforts to recover from the current economic problems we face.

How much work must we do, how many resources will we have to expend (in the middle of dozens of other "crises" we must deal with) before President Obama perhaps realizes that he is tilting at windmills - "fighting" something that is impossible for us to have any effect on?

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washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/23/AR2009092301860.html - broken link)

Obama pleads for harder work on climate change

by BEN FELLER
The Associated Press
Wednesday, September 23, 2009; 10:49 AM

UNITED NATIONS -- President Barack Obama has implored world leaders to confront climate change, saying there can be no peace without cooperative work to preserve the planet. He said he understood the tempation of nations to put economic recovery from recession ahead of climate change work, but said that must not be allowed to happen.


(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:48 PM
 
Location: nj
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Your post is so true how can anyone reply .
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:56 PM
 
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No evidence? Really? Then please contact every major scientific institution in every major country in the world and tell them that the evidence they have for climate change does not, in fact, exist. I'm sure they would appreciate the heads-up. Thank you.

How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: Responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming | A Grist Special Series | Grist
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Old 09-23-2009, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Nope, no evidence at all. Just keep pumping things into the atmosphere and ignore anyone who doubts.

Excuse me while I buy some of the soon to be beach front property in Denver.
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Old 09-23-2009, 02:07 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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No evidence? Really? Then please contact every major scientific institution in every major country in the world and tell them that the evidence they have for climate change does not, in fact, exist. I'm sure they would appreciate the heads-up. Thank you.

How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: Responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming | A Grist Special Series | Grist
Actually many scientists are now looking at solar activity as the cause behind climate change. The climate has changed many times in the past as well.
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Old 09-23-2009, 02:16 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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No evidence? Really? Then please contact every major scientific institution in every major country in the world and tell them that the evidence they have for climate change does not, in fact, exist.
Well, that takes care of the obligatory I'm-going-to-pretend-you-said-climate-change-instead-of-manmade-climate-change hysteric.

Anybody want to contribute something sensible?
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Old 09-23-2009, 02:18 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Actually many scientists are now looking at solar activity as the cause behind climate change.
They have noticed that, when earth's temperature goes up (or down), the temperature on the surface of Mars does the same.

We'd better whack those Martians upside the head and get them to quit driving those Martian SUVs!

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The climate has changed many times in the past as well.
The term "Ice Age" suggests itself... of which there have been many. And warm periods between them (including the present one).

Man had nothing to do with the causes of any of those. And despite his burning more fossil fuels now than he did hundreds of years (or hundreds of centuries) ago, no one has been able to show that such burning, has been enough to contribute to the warming (or cooling, whichever is the flavor of the month) of the climate today.
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Old 09-23-2009, 02:19 PM
 
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No evidence? Really? Then please contact every major scientific institution in every major country in the world and tell them that the evidence they have for climate change does not, in fact, exist. I'm sure they would appreciate the heads-up. Thank you.

How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: Responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming | A Grist Special Series | Grist
Everyone with a brain KNOWS that the earth has changes in its climate...... naturally
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Old 09-23-2009, 02:24 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Everyone with a brain KNOWS that the earth has changes in its climate...... naturally
And everyone with a brain (plus the literacy of a ten-year-old) KNOWS that I wasn't talking about climate change, but rather about man's contributions to it. Which amount to zero, from everything anyone's been able to find.

That apparently excludes at least one poster to this thread.
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Old 09-23-2009, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Northwest
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and methane gas from human building practices (mega dams etc) doesn't affect a living organism like the planet earth? huh? or pollution affect even kids lungs or their ability to breathe?

the earth is like one big atom ... that's why we can have cell phones... the way they work I mean...

hmmmm...
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