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Just to add to the scenario here: what could we do to ensure other countries didn't take advantage of us during the temporary chaos? We'd have to agree before hand to set aside our SSBNs (nuclear missile submarines) to be in charge of the defense of both sections. After all, it would be no good to have China swoop in and take California from the liberal side
The USA has such a huge and powerful military force. It could EASILY be done.
China might swoop in and take California anyway. China is becoming a freakishly powerful country.
Why do people support parties that they know are bad?
Just go independent!
If everyone who did not like the Dems and Repubs just went independant and voted independent, we could get a third part candidate into the white house no problem.
Stop supporting the crooks people. These politicians do not represent us anymore.
I don't support the Republicans really except for in the voting booth. Through grassroots efforts we can make a viable 3rd party. But like I said, I think the Demos are worse than the Repubs and I'd rather not throw my vote away. Long before the actual election I'd know if there was enough support for a 3rd party candidate to actually support in the booth.
I don't support the Republicans really except for in the voting booth. Through grassroots efforts we can make a viable 3rd party. But like I said, I think the Demos are worse than the Repubs and I'd rather not throw my vote away. Long before the actual election I'd know if there was enough support for a 3rd party candidate to actually support in the booth.
Dems worse than Republicans? I highly disagree. Republican are 100% corrupst these days. Dems are lagging slightly behind.
Just vote third party. The elections are rigged anyway. It's all theatrics. Everyone knows that.
How about those who want socialism or that just don't like here leave. it's that easy. Your free to go at anytime. Hope you all find what your looking for and good luck. America love it or leave it
Then by all means PLEASE catch the next plane to Timbuktu because your view is completely unAmerican. I'll even pitch in for the airfare. The America I love doesn't need ignorant people who cannot tolerate change or improvement.
Socialism, just like capitalism, is not American. American is the CHOICE to be any ISM it wants to be by majority rule. If you don't like that, then please take your own advice.
America's divisions are MANUFACTURED. The ideological polarities are the simpleton's way of generalizing our complex country into a neat little package. Most people only label themselves liberal or conservative because they are incapable of independent thought. Shades of gray abound if you look for them. Liberals and conservatives really want similar things, they just choose different paths to achieve them.
Keeping to the subject, though...this country probably should divide into smaller countries simply because it is too large to function optimally. There is no way to please both Nome Alaska and Key West Florida without somebody complaining. I suggest the following:
Alaska merges with Western Canada, Idaho, Western Montana, Oregon, far Northern California and most of Nevada, with a capital in Seattle.
Central California becomes its own country that includes the central Valley--a real powerhouse what with the financial and technology sectors of the Bay Area coupled with the breadbasket of California's agricultural center. It's capital would remain in Sacramento (it has the infrastructure) to give the competing interests equal stakes.
Southern California merges with Baja California, the Las Vegas area, Arizona, New Mexico as well as far West Texas and the adjacent states of Mexico to form a hybrid English/Spanish tourist and entertainment mecca with a capital in Los Angeles.
The plains of Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, as well as the states of Montana (eastern), Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, the Dakotas, and Western Nebraska and Kansas form a nation with a headquarters in Denver. This country would be one of the central breadbasket nations with significant infrastructure in Denver to function without a marine port of entry.
The rest of the Plains stretching from Iowa through Missouri, eastern Kansas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, far Western Tennessee, Louisiana, Mississippi, and of course, Texas, would form the southern breadbasket with a capital in the port city of Houston. An energy powerhouse as well.
Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Kentucky would be the Great Lakes nation with ports for trade on the Great Lakes. Chicago would naturally make the best capital but Detroit could be used as an excuse to rebuild that city in its key location.
The rest of the East Coast south of Pennsylvania and including the rest of Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Maryland, Delaware, the Carolinas and the Virginias would be Dixie, probably headquartered in Atlanta or DC. The Old South shall rise again.
Pennsylvania to Maine would be the perceived "liberal" nation headquartered in New York and would probably include some of the maritime provinces of Canada (excludes Quebec, a nation all its own).
On the other hand, I've argued that groups larger than say 10,000 are too difficult to manage, so maybe the future should be even more localized. Who needs government anyway if people are willing to group themselves together to accomplish an agreed upon quality of life?
The system we have had for 200 years is starting to break down. That's the problem. I think the system is collapsing and a huge line is being drawn between the conservative and liberal sides of the US. They are fighting and argueing constantly.
The system is not breaking down... society is. For several reasons... drug use, unmarried teens/mothers, fatherless children, out of control gangs in many big cities, no more prayers in schools, guns in schools, etc.
I think Christians and non-Christians have a very, very different vision of how we should live and how society should operate.
It's gotten so disparate that it is stalling anything to get done politically. It's just endless debates and arguements.....
We are even seeing huge tea party protests forming. These are mostly right-wing Christians who are generally angry about everything Obama is doing. These people will NOT be happy unless a Christian Republican Conservative is in charge.
Let's give them what they want in their own place. Let's make them happy and get them out of our face.
I'm just looking for a solution to this ridiculous and broken system, that's all.
I have a severe dislike of everything Obama stands for. I support much of what the tea parties are about, and the tea partyists are not predominantly made up of Christians, radical or otherwise. More folks like all of my friends and I. Regular, blue collar types, small business owners, rural people, and we aren't looking for a 'conservitave Christian' leader. Far from it. Anyway, while the thought of a bunch of seperate nations made up of pieces of the former US is fancyful, it is not practical. It would leave us weak and divided as Europe. Of course we are pretty divided as it stands. Personally, I'll take my chances with the country as a union, but we do need a real leadership. Obama ain't it. He is far to hung up on himself, and would like to be leader for life if given the chance. If anything, I see the guy as the fuse for conflict. Maybe a better way to divide the country would be along urban/rural lines. We could work a trade with food for energy, etc, and not have to actually interact beyond the logistics. It would not break my heart to not have to go to the city. There would be some obvious particulars to work out, but it used to work that way in the 19th century. Urban and rural, east and west , were two seperate and distinct cultures that overlapped very little. Worked pretty well too
Dems worse than Republicans? I highly disagree. Republican are 100% corrupst these days. Dems are lagging slightly behind.
Just vote third party. The elections are rigged anyway. It's all theatrics. Everyone knows that.
All of them are corrupt and to think otherwise is to delude ones self with a partisan opinion.
All of them are corrupt. Some may have began with innocence and intended to do good, but once they stepped on to the field, they sold out.
That said...
The conservative or rather republican public stance is less government, more power to the individual. Regardless of if they hold to that as a party, that is their stance.
As for the democrats, they are more along the lines of "we can fix your problems with more government, with more regulation, with more relinquishment of rights" and this has been the party standard for a long time. Regardless of whether rank and file democrats agreed or not.
Both are corrupt, but the latter thinks it has the answers by taking control and the day I relinquish my rights to another is the day I breath my last breath. That... is the American way.
So all those slacker rednecks that hang out on their porches all day drinking Budweiser in the midwest and south are just going to disapear huh?
Conservatives are not any more hard working than liberals.
This myth that somehow conservatives work hard and liberals do not is so funny to me.
The major economic engines of our entire economy: NYC, DC, Chicago, LA, San Francisco, Seattle, etc... are all major bastions of liberalism where people work long days - often into the night. The innovations for new economies often emerge from these areas and from the supposedly "liberal" higher education system.
I'm not saying conservatives don't also work hard, but to say one is intrinsically lazier than the other makes no sense ot me.
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Pro military conservatives vs stoned out slacker liberals, lets do it!!
