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Old 09-25-2009, 09:29 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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If you were wondering what the nature of the mature Obama administration would be, once all the laws they want are in place, all the restrictions, madates, and penalties, we're starting to find out.

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Ensign receives handwritten confirmation - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

Ensign receives handwritten confirmation

by Carrie Budoff Brown 11:40 AM
September 25, 2009
Categories: Senate

Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance. Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."


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Old 09-25-2009, 09:33 PM
 
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It's gonna be hard to say we live in a free country with a law like that.
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Old 09-25-2009, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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If you were wondering what the nature of the mature Obama administration would be, once all the laws they want are in place, all the restrictions, madates, and penalties, we're starting to find out.

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Ensign receives handwritten confirmation - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

Ensign receives handwritten confirmation

by Carrie Budoff Brown 11:40 AM
September 25, 2009
Categories: Senate

Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance. Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."


(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
If, and when, the Congress votes on this crap few will know about this and the worst part is that the general populace will never know unless the bill passes and a few people get stabbed with this. Every time a Republican Senator asks a question about things like this he is told to shut up and sit down.
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Old 09-25-2009, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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It's gonna be hard to say we live in a free country with a law like that.
Yeah! What ever happened to personal responsibility?

Oh wait.

Nevermind.
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Old 09-25-2009, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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How will they know if you don't have insurance ?
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Old 09-25-2009, 10:06 PM
 
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Dont read too much into this, ask any liberal, this is voluntary.. haha
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Old 09-26-2009, 12:56 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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How will they know if you don't have insurance ?

What I've heard thus far is that all this will be taken care of when you file your taxes. You will receive a form from your insurer just like a W-2 or mortgage interest statement, and you will be required to fill in a code on whatever form you use that corresponds to your insurance policy. If it isn't one of the approved (unsustainable) plans, you get hit with the fine as part of your taxes. So if you have money coming back, kiss it goodbye, and if you owe, the fine will be added to your tax bill. Furthermore, if you don't have an acceptable policy, when you get hit with the fine, you will automatically be enrolled in the public option and your premiums will be paid as a payroll deduction before you ever see your paycheck. Of course, once the money is taken from your check, the federal government can do whatever they like with the money (see stimulus package, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security).
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Old 09-26-2009, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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I was just passed a handwritten note that said they are coming to take your guns next week! OMG OMG OMG!!!!
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Old 09-26-2009, 02:20 AM
 
Location: Ft. Worth, TX
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What I've heard thus far is that all this will be taken care of when you file your taxes. You will receive a form from your insurer just like a W-2 or mortgage interest statement, and you will be required to fill in a code on whatever form you use that corresponds to your insurance policy. If it isn't one of the approved (unsustainable) plans, you get hit with the fine as part of your taxes. So if you have money coming back, kiss it goodbye, and if you owe, the fine will be added to your tax bill. Furthermore, if you don't have an acceptable policy, when you get hit with the fine, you will automatically be enrolled in the public option and your premiums will be paid as a payroll deduction before you ever see your paycheck. Of course, once the money is taken from your check, the federal government can do whatever they like with the money (see stimulus package, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security).
Man I absolutely hate that! I am so angry at this clown Obama.
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Old 09-26-2009, 02:55 AM
 
Location: Mishawaka, IN
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Buy Insurance or Go to Jail?
September 25, 2009 6:43 PM

ABC News' Teddy Davis reports:

The debate over whether the federal government should require all Americans to carry health insurance is heating up.

The latest spark is a letter that Thomas Barthold, the chief of staff to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation, sent Thursday to Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev.

Given that the health-care bill written by Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus contains a $1,900 fee (or excise tax) for not buying health insurance, Ensign wanted to know what would happen if an American didn't pay the penalty.

In a handwritten letter, Barthold told Ensign that under an existing provision of the Internal Revenue Code, willful failure to pay a fine can result in being charged with a misdemeanor which could carry a penalty of up to $25,000, or up to a year in jail, or both. The handwritten letter was a follow-up to an answer that Barthold gave Ensign during Thursday's mark-up of the Baucus bill.

Barthold felt that he was not as thorough during the hearing as he could be after considering the Internal Revenue Code.

During last year's campaign, then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., opposed an individual mandate. In fact, he clashed repeatedly with Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., his future Secretary of State, on this issue.

Since becoming president, however, he has switched his stance and now shares Clinton's view that an individual mandate is necessary in order to achieve new federal protections for individuals with pre-existing conditions.

Pointing to experience at the state level, the insurance industry and other health-care experts persuaded Obama that insurers could not go along with a guanteed issue policy without knowing that all adults would be forced into the system...

...View Barthold's letter to Ensign by clicking HERE.(Below)

It was scanned by Ensign's Senate office and provided to ABC News. The accuracy of its contents was confirmed by the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation.

Buy Insurance or Go to Jail? - The Note

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Polit...old_letter.pdf
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