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Old 09-29-2009, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The Sun Says: Labour’s lost it | The Sun |News

Looks like the Brits have also had enough of socialist policies;

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Billions blown employing a useless layer of public service middle-managers like those who condemned Baby P to die.

Billions more spent, insanely, making benefits more lucrative than a pay cheque - creating a huge, idle underclass for whom work is a dirty word. And all along the Government has had one overriding concern: Itself.
A lot of failure to go around - from crime, to schools, to HC, to immigration, to the wars.

Excellent read of just what liberal/socialist policies have wrought.

The Sun believes - and prays - that the Conservative leadership can put the great back into Great Britain.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=ap8iQufidpV4

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The poll shows Labour supported by 24 percent of voters, compared with 25 percent for the Liberal Democrats and 36 percent for the Conservatives. Ipsos-Mori surveyed 1,003 adults. No margin of error was given.

Worst Since 1982
I'd say the rejection of "socialist" policies across the EU continues, unabated
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Old 09-29-2009, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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In germany the socialist got the lowest votes ever and in the Netherlands with a mid term poll the socialist party (PVDA) which resembles the Dem. over here lost half of it if there would be elections held right now....this is very promissing and shows that people had it with all this socialism.

Obama can look all he want to europe and if he really is understanding what is going on there, he will know that he can counts his days as president over here and will be a lame duck sooner than later. Socialism doesn't work..only when people have hardly anything and for some hypocrite rich people who first put most of their money off shore and the rest in real estate so they hardly pay taxes comapre to what they really own.
The elections huh? Are they also out in the streets protesting their health care?
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:17 AM
 
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The Sun believes - and prays - that the Conservative leadership can put the great back into Great Britain.
A Sun editorial? The Sun is a Murdock-owned tabloid rag, not exactly known for deep political analysis. (From today's web edition:"Did Hitler survive World War II?" and "PICTURE SPECIAL: See the supermodel squeezes of disgraced Renault F1 boss"")

Labour rode Tony Blair's coattails to victory, and the editorial carefully glosses over the two issues that triggered Blair's fall from grace: His pro-EU policies (including reneging on a referendum) and, worse, the hugely unpopular Iraq war. Labour never recovered from their leader being perceived as Bush's lapdog.
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Old 09-30-2009, 03:52 AM
 
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A Sun editorial? The Sun is a Murdock-owned tabloid rag, not exactly known for deep political analysis. (From today's web edition:"Did Hitler survive World War II?" and "PICTURE SPECIAL: See the supermodel squeezes of disgraced Renault F1 boss"")

Labour rode Tony Blair's coattails to victory, and the editorial carefully glosses over the two issues that triggered Blair's fall from grace: His pro-EU policies (including reneging on a referendum) and, worse, the hugely unpopular Iraq war. Labour never recovered from their leader being perceived as Bush's lapdog.
Ha, Ha

She stays up all night, scouring websites to try to support her thesis and the only source that she can reference is............the Sun newspaper.
Tells you all you need to know, really

My favourite Sun headline is "Freddy Starr ate my hamster!"

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ThhguC97Ed...diehamster.jpg
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Old 09-30-2009, 04:13 AM
 
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For those of you out there in America, who have no idea about the Sun newspaper : here is some food for thought.

Each day the Sun newspaper prints a Page 3 girl.
Page 3 girls usually (but not always) pose topless


Google Image Result for http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00610/Page3scoreMain_610821a.jpg


Real newspaper of record !
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Old 09-30-2009, 04:19 AM
 
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In germany the socialist got the lowest votes ever and in the Netherlands with a mid term poll the socialist party (PVDA) which resembles the Dem. over here lost half of it if there would be elections held right now....this is very promissing and shows that people had it with all this socialism.
You have no ideas what you're talking about. Rather than getting all excited about whos winning the European elections. Look at the context and do some research. Right, left, and center political and social views are not the same in Europe as they are here.
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Old 09-30-2009, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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A Sun editorial? The Sun is a Murdock-owned tabloid rag,

Labour rode Tony Blair's coattails to victory, and the editorial carefully glosses over the two issues that triggered Blair's fall from grace: His pro-EU policies (including reneging on a referendum) and, worse, the hugely unpopular Iraq war. Labour never recovered from their leader being perceived as Bush's lapdog.
And yet, your analysis we should somehow believe? The Sun, the Telegraph, Times, Speigel, Bloomberg - all biased propaganda? A hilarious and lame argument, all rolled into one.

Just another example of what true socialists across the EU are facing - I really don't think there is any argument.

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Right, left, and center political and social views are not the same in Europe as they are here.
No one said they were. There can be no doubt though, the EU is looking more conservative.
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Old 09-30-2009, 05:46 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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And yet, your analysis we should somehow believe? The Sun, the Telegraph, Times, Speigel, Bloomberg - all biased propaganda? A hilarious and lame argument, all rolled into one.

Just another example of what true socialists across the EU are facing - I really don't think there is any argument.



No one said they were. There can be no doubt though, the EU is looking more conservative.

I guess there are several tendencies in politics wherever in the world:

- When there is a crisis, people tend to turn off their brains and thus display their more egoistic animal strategies (I and my clan are the center of the world, to hell with the rest). Thus they tend towards the right, dreaming of some remote past when things were still OK (not realizing that they may never have been better and even if they were, then only because others paid for it, not seldom with their lives).
- No matter how good or bad a government performs, after a certain time most people are curious and want some change. Even if there is no reason, they will vote differently just to see things change in whatever direction. No matter how well Obama does in the US, after 8 years at the latest, many people will be tired of him (and I am not talking about those bad losers, haters, and racists who were tired of him even before he took office).
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Old 09-30-2009, 07:10 AM
 
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The Sun Says: Labour’s lost it | The Sun |News

Looks like the Brits have also had enough of socialist policies;



A lot of failure to go around - from crime, to schools, to HC, to immigration, to the wars.

Excellent read of just what liberal/socialist policies have wrought.

The Sun believes - and prays - that the Conservative leadership can put the great back into Great Britain.

Brown Slumps to 3rd as Election Timetable Published (Update2) - Bloomberg.com



I'd say the rejection of "socialist" policies across the EU continues, unabated
disregarding the hilarious source, here's the thing - the conservative (tory) party in britian is just as pro universal health care as the labour party. the only thing the parties are arguing about is how to manage and structure the nhs. even in that sun article, it doesn't say anything about the nhs itself being a bad thing - it's about where the nhs money is being spent. if the tories or any other party came out in favor of privatizing the "socialist" nhs (or getting rid of the dole or free higher education) they would be destroyed in the elections.

also, "new labour" was essentially a move to the right for the party in the first place.

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Old 09-30-2009, 07:14 AM
 
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and from that bloomberg article, the conservatives are leading labour in the cited poll, but so are the liberal democrats, who are to the left of labour, at least as far as "socialism" goes.

Liberal Democrats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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