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There are plenty of people here in America who don't have a family doctor or know someone who can't find a family doctor.
My point was more along the lines that meson said Canuks approve of their health care. I framed the poll with another poll in the sense that if his poll is true/correct/valid and Canuks approve of their health care, they then are also approving that their HC doesn't take the best advantage of available technologies and they approve their health care system does not deliver high-quality care, and an approval of a doctor shortage.
Back to my quote from you. It's availability vs affordability. If I work hard and smart in USA, I will have a doctor available. If I work hard and smart in Canada, I will not necessarily have a doctor available. It then seems more advantageous to sit on my butt in Canada, do nothing nor excel and pay a super low tax rate, have kids, and have the state eventually take care of me and my brood because if I am responsible for myself, I pay a higher tax and if I want my own health care, the health care is not available as it is being rationed to the single-mother with three kids who pays little tax and does little to give back to society.
I'm sensationalizing but only to illustrate two points; inequality and ponzi scheme - number one, my responsible and smart work is not rewarded, I contribute 200% more than you and you reap 400% more than me - not equitable/substainable. Number two, this type of healthcare self destructs as soon as you have more "single-mothers with three children" in the system than you have responsible contributors. Can you say social security & baby boomer. It will be controversial and I risk being labeled a racist but if you look at poverty centers like Detroit, Philly, Gaza, Cape Town & Rio de Janeiro - it become fairly obvious that poverty breeds faster.
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You don't hear stories of Canadians having to file bankruptcy because of medical bills. You don't hear companies in Canada complaining that the cost of health care is too much.
No. Bankruptcy sucks but is not completely a bad thing as it is actually benefiticial. And what you hear, you hear Canadians complaining about high taxes (anyone in Canada who makes $70K or more is in the top income bracket - ouch!). And Canuk industries complain of Canadian brain drain.
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No matter what system we'll have, the U.S. will still have a shortage of family doctors.
Rumor and myth. We have the availability of doctors... In reality, what we have is a shortage of responsible and competent workers who can make socially responsibly decisions for themselves. Hence welfare.
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Just and FYI, but Canada has had a two-tier health care system for quite a while: universal and private
Two cases are now before the British Columbia Supreme Court. Operators of for-profit clinics are asking the court to strike down laws that stop patients from buying faster care. Those who want the restrictions preserved argue that opening the door to private payments would create two-tier health care, thus ending the principle of equality enshrined in the Canada Health Act.
Canada Health Act. In the Canadian context of health care, the main concern with respect to privatization is that it can lead to a “two-tier” system – one that allows some patients to pay privately and receive priority access to health care, while the rest of the population who use the publicly funded health services must face longer waiting times.
Even though you posted absolutely nothing to back it up,
I did.
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it apparently shows that private and public options can co-exist.
Can you read for understanding? I just posted and linked on how the Canada Health Act institutionalizes the prohibition of the “two-tier” system which would allow some patients to pay privately and receive priority access to Candian health care...
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Reporting from Vancouver, Canada - When the pain in Christina Woodkey's legs became so severe that she could no long hike or cross-country ski, she went to her local health clinic. The Calgary, Canada, resident was told she'd need to see a hip specialist. Because the problem was not life-threatening, however, she'd have to wait about a year.
I have an aunt, 87 years old last year when she fell and broke her hip, two weeks later she had a hip replacement done. That was in Ontario, Canada....
The only difference I see is that your aunt had a traumatic injury which required immediate attention whereas the subject above was suffering pain without broken bones, so they postponed her treatment for a year.
Not really. People can be covered by UHC and buy private add-ons without bringing their employer into the picture at all. Which is, funnily enough, the model that some Canadians are pushing for. Abolishing UHC is a political non-starter in every country where it exists.
Not really. People can be covered by UHC and buy private add-ons without bringing their employer into
Bro - if I am adding an "add-on" (upgrade) to my already existing UHC, I still have UHC which is my complaint.
So tell me how the "up-grades" in regards to the Canadian health care system does not violate the Canada Health Act and the underlying Canadian values of equity and solidarity in health care?
This is how I honestly know your Canadian health care system is bull****. I call you on it and bet my manhood. I add +$20K in income when including my health care with my salary. So if I take my same job in Canada, will I get paid a premium because my company no longer provides health care...
BS. BS. BS.
I do not get a premium in salary for a like position in Canada; we get paid the same or less and pay way more tax while we receive way less health care service.
More implosion, rationing from that liberal utopia of HC systems.
Choosing health (http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=2066531 - broken link)
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Opponents of U.S. President Barack Obama's proposed health care reforms have just been handed a powerful talking point by Ontario's government.
But then how to characterize Ontario's decision to cut off funding for colorectal cancer patients taking a life-prolonging drug, in order to save $9-million a year?
Ontario Health Minister David Caplan rejected the suggestion that the cap on treatment was a financial decision alone, arguing it was based on clinical evidence. But it's easy to reach the conclusion that the province decided nine extra months of life for a dying patient wasn't worth the money. Which is pretty much the kind of decision a "death panel" would be confronted with.
More proof that most Canadians don't want private health care
We favour our health care to U.S. system: poll | Canada | News | Toronto Sun (http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/07/10/10092346.html - broken link)
My favorite video on Canadian healthcare was the one on 20/20 when "a vacancy" comes up, the local Canadian official, pulls a box out of her closet, opens the box and draws a name of a lucky local citizen who can now get a primary care doctor, and then calls the ecstatic citizen with the good news.
But Health Minister David Caplan dismissed suggestions the drug policy was driven by cost considerations.
"First and foremost, the committee to evaluate drugs looks at the clinical evidence and … the scientific evidence that is produced about the safety and effectiveness of therapies and of drugs," he told reporters.
He accused Marin of using inflammatory language and said he would be open to changing the policy if Marin could provide medical evidence to show a change is needed.
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