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I concur 100%. You may be surprised to find that I am a fiscal conservative that actually leans toward a public option. My biggest concerns are cost and the ulterior motive of the government to ultimately takeover healthcare completely. Those two things edge out the public option in my book. But in theory, I believe that the public option would be a good thing for some people. Unfortunately, you are correct. All of our politicians are bought and sold to the highest bidder.
First of all, government is not taking over healthcare, it is attempting to offer a public option health insurance policy. Big difference. I cannot understand why, when the reasons that the oppostion to the plan prove to be the lobbyists spending millions daily to divert the issue, more citizens are not enraged, Republican and Democrat alike. I'm finding this fact mote upsetting than the issue of healthcare itself When the public is in favor of something and their reps are not listening to them, but to lobbyists for an industry that wants total domination, something is very wrong with our country and democracy.
Social Security (1935)
Unemployment Insurance
Medicare/medicaid (1965)
Voting rights and civil rights bill 1964 & 1965
It amazes me these republican troglodytes are now crying about Seniors and medicare.
I guess hypocrisy has no limits.
But - but - but
Like most libs here on this board answer.
Things change over time and you have to adjust your thinking.
Obama does it every day, so what is wrong with that now?
So we now want to make sure obama never changes his mind?
If we did the man who go nuts as he changes his flip flopping way of thinking daily, no, hourly.
In a sharp switch from their historic reproach of government-backed health care, Republicans on Capitol Hill this year are embracing Medicare in their bid to kill the Democrats’ health reform plans.
Last year, when the Bush administration rolled out its annual budget proposing more than $500 billion in Medicare cuts, many Republican leaders cheered the legislation as a necessary move in the direction of fiscal responsibility.
Rep. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), then-minority whip, called the cuts “the needed first-step” to lend Medicare “a solid economic footing.” House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said the proposal marked “an important starting point” for reining in Medicare spending. And Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis.), senior Republican on the House Budget Committee, cheered the plan for taking “a significant, critical step toward addressing the greatest threat to our nation’s future strength and prosperity — the unsustainable growth of our largest entitlement programs.”
What a difference a year can make.
Yale political scientist Jacob Hacker echoed that message, pointing out that conservatives have proposed cuts to Medicare long before last year’s Bush administration budget, including a fierce push in the mid-1990s originated by then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.), who promoted the idea of allowing Medicare to “wither on the vine.” The current opposition from Republicans the the Democrats’ proposals, Hacker said, is “nakedly hypocritical.”
Things change over time and you have to adjust your thinking.
Obama does it every day, so what is wrong with that now?
So we now want to make sure obama never changes his mind?
If we did the man who go nuts as he changes his flip flopping way of thinking daily, no, hourly.
you got that one right. We all change from time to time, I know my thinking sure does so I am glad to see the republicans re-think some things. That isn't the same a Obama changing his every other minute.
The Republicans have been out to destroy Medicare since Ronald Reagan called it Socialism. As we speak Dick Armey and Freedomworks are suing to make it "voluntary", which woul also make it insolvent.
So their plan appears to be to give it to everyone nd then destroy it. That way they can blame it on "Big Government"
First of all, government is not taking over healthcare, it is attempting to offer a public option health insurance policy. Big difference. I cannot understand why, when the reasons that the oppostion to the plan prove to be the lobbyists spending millions daily to divert the issue, more citizens are not enraged, Republican and Democrat alike. I'm finding this fact mote upsetting than the issue of healthcare itself When the public is in favor of something and their reps are not listening to them, but to lobbyists for an industry that wants total domination, something is very wrong with our country and democracy.
Why can't those that oppose healthcare reform see that it could very well be themselves in need of the very reform they now oppose? It's not the people who are looking for handouts that want it changed or should I say NEED it changed. I'm one of those people, employed for 25 years, saved my money, own my home outright along with my car but can't afford to pay almost $12k/year out of pocket for health insurance that won't even cover any of my monthly costs for the first 18 months because of a pre-existing condition. The $12k is just the initial cost. It also means a $3k deductible that must be met before anything is paid for, prescriptions are paid for at the rate of 30% up to $2k, then I have to cover them 100% up to $5k, then they will pay 50% of prescription costs. Of course, I was told that after my 18 months are up, my rates will likely be going up due to my pre-existing condition, IF they choose to continue my coverage. This is the kind of crap the insurance companies should not be allowed to get away with, but instead the Republicans are handing them the right to not only continue but to raise their rates as they wish. Did I ever think this would happen to me? No, and I'm not eligible for any help unless I sell my car because it's worth more than $8k. So if I use up all my money that I might need for an unexpected household expense or any type of emergency, I'll POSSIBLY be covered by Medicaid.
In the meantime, I pay out of pocket every time I go to the Dr., which thankfully, I can still afford to do. My physician cuts me a break and understands what I'm going through along with many of his other patients. Don't believe the GOP hype that physicians are going to quit if healthcare reform is enacted. Just go to the AMA website, ask any of those that work in healthcare about the insurance company monopoly. I've heard all the scare tactics about how we'll no longer be able to go to the doctor we wish to use or how our doctor will be prohibited from using certain medications, doing certain tests, etc. LOL--the insurance companies started that nonsense almost 25 years ago and it gets progressively worse all the time. I'm also a R.N. and have seen it firsthand with patients I've taken care of, sent home from the hospital too soon because their insurance co. says they are ready--not their doctor, their insurance company.
My prescriptions are also paid out of pocket for a total of $800 a month. Ridiculous that in this country, I'm penalized because I've been a productive, responsible person who paid for their home and car, contributed for years via taxes, yet am being denied healthcare. I have to pay for my mammogram and any other blood tests that will come with my physical next month, probably about $3k total. Can the average family really afford to be sick? Healthcare should not be only for the healthy and the wealthy! We need healthcare reform and the insurance companies need competition. Remember what it used to cost to call long distance before the breakup of Ma Bell? Competition is a good thing for everyone's pocketbook!
I agree with you AKR... I don't care what the Republicans on this board say, I will be a
Republican that will look for a solution for my people specifically and all people in general.
My Dad pays a lot of money now and because they have very strict views about what I am
to take responsibility for as I get older, I am concerned now. I learned a lot having to work
4 part time jobs over the summer to make money that my Dad would double what I made
for school. (And my Granny would match what I made.)
We are a family that does not believe in debt. Can you imagine how I had to figure this out and
if I was short I had to solve it during the school year? At least I didn't have to figure out my
part of health insurance but I will soon.
I support Republicans doing whatever they can in spite of lobbyist groups etc. Because I know
that's really where the fight is. Pit lobby groups against each other and take both parties out
of it. I'm old enough to face how business works in America.
I know that health care in America is a business, and business interest is to make a profit.
Maybe a solution would be to make health care non profit and for people to pay for catastrophic
health insurance instead? I am not sure.
So far if I have to pay for health insurance on my own 400 dollars a month PLUS deductable
PLUS co-pays on medication and visits and anything else, I would be in trouble.
I want Republicans to offer a solution I can get behind and be proud of.
I'm a Republican and I agree this is a duplicitous political move by our party. It is a hypocritical stance from the previous year.
However, how is this any better than Obama's Presidential campaign on health care reform. Last year, Obama claimed health care would be paid for exclusively by mandating that all employers provide health insurance for its employees or else provide a fine that would be placed in a general fund that would subsidize health insurance for those without coverage. Obama never mentioned a government sponsored option during his campaign. After he won the Presidency, he waited until the Spring to announce his new govt sponsored option plan and desire to adopt a European style health care sytem to which he was quoted. That was also a cheap move by the Democrats.
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