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I don't want to be around "like minded people" all the time. I would never learn anything.
Lady Morgandy, I truly wish you and yours the best of luck with your social experiment. Personally, I would have to pass on your offer. Having tried a community of "like minded people" in my formative years, I found it didn't work well for me and the other participants. I will spare you the uncomfortable details. In the intervening years since that failed experiment, I have watched groups of like minded people become so like minded that they became a danger to themselves. Jim Jones and Warren Jeffs comes to mind immediately. There also is an active like minded community that has existed for a number of years that seems to work after a fashion. It is located in Colorado City, Az. Last I heard though, the young men are being removed by force by the elders and many of the women are desperately trying to escape.
I prefer the company of Un-like people. I crave that percolation of ideas and melding the differences of society into a workable unit. But that's just me. Once again, Good luck with your experiment.
6. Justice- With the acknowledgment that no nation can exist in civility and prosperity without the principle of justice we shall each, as a people and a nation, live by a code of law which shall be intrinsically tied to the moral code given by our creator; our code of law shall endeavor to protect the rights of the innocent and to fairly and humanely punish the guilty with all fairness and due process.
A socialist republic referencing the moral code of a God? Fun times ahead in the Supreme Court of SRZ.
Have any invitations to join the community been sent to the US prisons?
No... you're proposing secession. I'm asking why the same concept can't be applied to the system we already have, without secession.
Nice intolerance of other ideas, by the way. Would such intolerance be a charter value in your new micronation?
I think your comment proves why, at this point, it isn't working on a larger scale in the US because far too many people here are selfish and hung up on the meaningless piece of little green paper that has no real value yet they walk over people dying in the streets every single day for it.
Our constitution as been posted for our citizens to vote on, once it has been ratified by our citizens it will be posted on the official site.
For those of you who wished us well, thank you.
For the others, if it is not for you, great, move along, to each his own. But I do not have the time to argue with nay sayers who do not want to be a part of this dream. You are free to choose whatever manner in which you want to live, I want to work with others to create a better world where everyone is valued and where things like morals, chivalry, education, and the art of conversation are all alive and well...for those who choose to disagree, that is your right...but you do not have to bombard others with your negativity.
We have no intention of "taking away" anything from anyone, our plan is to rightfully purchase a territory to build our community.
You speak of seceding from the Union. Purchasing a property within a state or territory, no matter what you do with it, does not free you of local, state, and federal property taxes and needing to live within the laws established for that jurisdiction. Just look at the religious communes in Texas.
Anyway, the push of humanity is toward global unity, not disjointed factions with different laws, money, etc...
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Secondly, there are not too many free range farms that use guns to kill their livestock so I am not sure where you were even going with that one; the comparrison seems misguided at best.
Interesting that you jump right to guns. Which ever means by which the animals are taken from a living state to a dead state is a weapon. You can't claim you'll be without weapons and then eat free-range food. Something has to kill the animals. You will either own weapons or benefit from their use at an off-site facility.
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People keep saying that efforts to build communities have always failed in the past but that simply is not true, there are many success stories of communes/intentional communities that were built 40-50 years ago and are still thriving. There's the Farm in TN, and the ecovillage in Ithaca which has a similiar model to our own has been very successful. People just do not publicize such sucesses very often because they prove that it can be done, and done without the ills of capitalism.
The individuals in Ithaca are far from removed in a separate nation that requires a passport and whose citizens don't pay city, state, or federal taxes. They work in town, they shop, they pay taxes, they do all the rest. They just live in a more sustainable neighborhood than most. That's not what you seek to create and you should definitely establish that difference.
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Like minded does not mean identical. The US for example, was founded by like minded individuals in the beginning but they were not all indentical. Our ciitzens share common values and a commitment to common goals as a people but we are all individuals with our own unique talents and gifts and we celebrate that diversity.
I'd be surprised if you get any genuine diversity. You'll probably end up with a predominantly white, middle class, middle age population that leans politically left and generally agrees on most issues. It'd be like running our nation on one ideology rather than switching back and forth. Any single ideology unchecked fails after a while because it grows too obese for its own good.
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And, of course, I agree that the current system is obviously broken and that is why we MUST have an alternative system. But if we wait until everything has collapsed into chaos to rebuild it will take forever, and cost many lives in the process. We want to act proacatively and plan a new community on values that have long range, sustainable potential and while there are certainly are many details and many challenges that we will face, you have to start somewhere.
As Dostoevsky said, "[SIZE=4]Neither man or nation can exist without a sublime idea."[/SIZE]
Good luck. I just think the age of turn off and drop out has passed. But, it's important to explore human potential.
I think your comment proves why, at this point, it isn't working on a larger scale in the US because far too many people here are selfish and hung up on the meaningless piece of little green paper that has no real value yet they walk over people dying in the streets every single day for it.
You do have to admit that includes the very wealthy lefties who support a big-government big-entitlement program system, but do nothing to fund such by voluntarily increasing the taxes they pay.
Interesting concept, though it's been tried many, many times before based on the exact same principles. It's always failed because humans aren't evolved enough yet to, for example, handle voluntarily paying taxes (even though that's what advanced civilizations do).
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I'm pretty sure you can't take land from the United States, whether in Vermont, Michigan, or Colorado - though they're all quite beautiful states.
If you're eating free-range meat, you're going to need some kind of weapon to kill the animals. Even if you're just shipping it in, someone's slaughtering the animals someone. To say that such weaponry is against the vision for this place becomes a little hypocritical at that point, even if you don't witness the slaughter.
Is it really productive to live surrounded by "like-minded" individuals? One of the great assets of the world is encountering people of very different perspectives. I'm not sure I would find such homogeneity to my liking.
I'm pretty sure you'd encounter a lot of base human nature at work, no matter the stated intentions. Whenever I have interacted with people drawn to this lifestyle, I have found many of them to be amongst the most power-hungry, narcissistic, and greedy individuals I've ever encountered. Eventually, hierarchies form and people want to be in control of the commune and some want to sleep all day while others do all the work...
There's a reason these lofty concepts don't work yet, but it is important that we start exploring new systems. The current one has run its course.
Lady Morgandy, I truly wish you and yours the best of luck with your social experiment. Personally, I would have to pass on your offer. Having tried a community of "like minded people" in my formative years, I found it didn't work well for me and the other participants. I will spare you the uncomfortable details. In the intervening years since that failed experiment, I have watched groups of like minded people become so like minded that they became a danger to themselves. Jim Jones and Warren Jeffs comes to mind immediately. There also is an active like minded community that has existed for a number of years that seems to work after a fashion. It is located in Colorado City, Az. Last I heard though, the young men are being removed by force by the elders and many of the women are desperately trying to escape.
I prefer the company of Un-like people. I crave that percolation of ideas and melding the differences of society into a workable unit. But that's just me. Once again, Good luck with your experiment.
I think if dogmatic religion is not in the mix, a community based on better values than what is ubiquitous these days has a chance at thriving. Like minded people does not necessarily mean that individuals do not have different ideas. A community of artist and other creative people would be guaranteed to have diversity.
I think if dogmatic religion is not in the mix, a community based on better values than what is ubiquitous these days has a chance at thriving. Like minded people does not necessarily mean that individuals do not have different ideas. A community of artist and other creative people would be guaranteed to have diversity.
This is very true. In all fairness I failed to mention some success stories. Arco Sante in Cordes Junction, Az. Comes to mind and is very active and thriving. Stephen Gaskin's commune in Tennessee of the "Here and Now" movement also comes to mind.
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Would such intolerance be a charter value in your new micronation? 
