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This is what the bill will do, as opposed to what OP represented. He didn't read the whole thing.
Again, in case anyone missed it.....this is not what will be done. OP misrepresented the facts.
Read page 7. The Individual Abortion report will be published on the website.
The questions on page 8 are only the beginning of the report. They continue on through page 17.
Read page 7. The Individual Abortion report will be published on the website.
The questions on page 8 are only the beginning of the report. They continue on through page 17.
No. The individual Abortion reports FORM will be available and able to be submitted through a secure state website, it can also be printed out and mailed in. Those records WILL NOT be POSTED or published on any website and are not subject to the Oklahoma State Open Record Act.
You didn't read the bill.
The section about the what will actually be published is not on page 7 or 8....but I'm not going to do the work for you. I read it and found it for myself and you'll have to do the same if you want to know the truth.
Last edited by NCyank; 10-08-2009 at 08:32 AM..
Reason: added clarification
But THAT information is not in the published report. It is reported, but not PUBLISHED.
The information in the published report will be ...
Abortions performed due to rape or incest...27
Perpetrators reported to authorities...7
No one could tell anything from that and there isn't any actual requirement to make a police report of any kind. It won't force women into making a police report if they don't want to, it only records IF they have reported it or not.
Anyone in a small town could tell a lot from these forms. First, you have the age. In a town of 4000 people, say 2200 are women. A generous estimate would be that at any particular age you have 100 women. And that's very generous. So if a woman reports a rape to authorities on August 1, 2009. And then gets an abortion in September in Tulsa. And her age is published, and she reported the rape to the local police department that serves those 4000 women. Someone looking at the website could say, hey, here's a 19 year-old girl who had an abortion, and she says she was raped on August 1 or sometime before, in Mannford. There are only 100 19-year-olds living in Mannford, if that. And in a small town, people talk about things like this. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which 19-year-old girl was raped. And, therefore, which 19-year-old girl had an abortion.
Moreover, as for forcing women to report such crimes. No, this law wouldn't. But I have problems with this because this law actually would discourage women from reporting rape because of the potential privacy problem I described above. Rape and incest are already under-reported. We don't need laws which further discourage these crimes from being reported. The under-reporting really hurts women as it is. And there is nothing to stop one of these brilliant lawmakers from further amending the lawcode to require women to file police reports in these cases, which is a further incursion into women's privacay.
So you prefer to remain ignorant instead of actually reading the bill.
None of what you suggest will actually be published, it will be reported, but not PUBLISHED.
I did read the bill in its entirety, and after your admonitition, I read it again. And, first of all, what it lists as publishable is the minimum it requires, and it specifically allows for even more information to be included. And secondly, the information about rape and incest that it intends to include is marginal, but in rural areas, even marginal information can lead to identification of rape and incest victims. As I said before, my issue with this is two-fold. This legislation, as it stands, discourages the reporting of rape and incest because it adds to women's fears of such incidents becoming more generally known than they are comfortable with. The second concern, which is a lesser concern, but still legitimate, is that the Oklahoma legislature, in its pursuit of more accurate abortion statistics could intrude even further on a woman's privacy.
SECTION 1. NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section <1-738a> of Title <63>, unless there is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows: This act shall be known and may be cited as the “Statistical Reporting of Abortion Act”.... D. The Department shall post the required Individual Abortion Form on its stable Internet website. Nothing in the Individual Abortion Form shall contain the name, address, or information specifically identifying any patient. The Department’s Individual Abortion Form shall be substantially similar, but need not be, in the specific format provided in subsection F of this section.
And
Individual Abortion Form
(TO BE COMPLETED FOR EACH ABORTION PERFORMED)
1. Date of abortion _________________ 2. County in which abortion performed ________________ 3. Age of mother _________________ 4. Marital status of mother ________________ (married, divorced, separated, widowed, or never married) 5. Race of mother ________________ 6. Years of education of mother ________________ (specify highest year completed) 7. State or foreign country of residence of mother ________________ 8. Total number of previous pregnancies of the mother ________________ Live Births _________________ Miscarriages _________________ Induced Abortions __________________ 9. Approximate gestational age in weeks, as measured from the last menstrual period of the mother, of the unborn child subject to abortion _______________________________ 10. Method of abortion used: Suction Aspiration ___________ Dilation and Curettage ___________ RU 486 ___________ Methotrexate ___________ Dilation and Evacuation ___________ Saline ___________ Urea ___________ Prostaglandins ___________ Partial Birth Abortion __________ Hysterotomy ___________ Other (specify) ___________ 11. Was there an infant born alive as a result of the abortion? __________ If yes: Were life-sustaining measures undertaken? ___________ How long did the infant survive? ___________ 12. Was anesthesia administered to mother __________________ If yes, what type? _________________ 13. Was anesthesia administered to the fetus? ___________ If yes: What type? _______________________ How was it administered? _______________________ 14. Method of fetal tissue disposal _______________________ 15. Reason for abortion (check all applicable): Mother cannot afford the child ______ Emotional health of the mother is at risk ______ Mother suffered from a medical emergency as defined in Section 1-738.1 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes ______ Mother wanted a child of a different sex ______ Abortion necessary to avert the death of the mother ______ Pregnancy was a result of forcible rape ______ Pregnancy was a result of incest ______ Other (specify) ______ Patient was asked why she is seeking an abortion, but she declined to give a reason _________________________ 16. Method of payment (check one): Private insurance _______ Public health plan _______ Medicaid _______ Private pay _______ Other (specify) _________________ 17. Type of medical health insurance coverage, if any (check one): Fee-for-service insurance company ______ Managed care company ______ Other (specify) __________________________________ 18. Sum of fee(s) collected ___________ 19. Specialty area of medicine of the physician ___________________ __________________________________________________ _____________ 20. Was ultrasound equipment used before, during, or after the performance of this abortion? Before? _____ Vaginal, abdominal, or both? _____ During? _____ Vaginal, abdominal, or both? _____ After? _____ Vaginal, abdominal, or both? _____ 21. Was the information required by paragraph 1 of subsection B of Section 1-738.2 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes provided to the mother? ___________ a. If yes, was it provided: In person ___________ By telephone ___________ b. Was it provided by: A referring physician __________ The physician performing the abortion _________ An agent of a referring physician ___________ An agent of the physician performing the abortion ________ 22. Was the information required by paragraph 2 of subsection B of Section 1-738.2 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes provided to the mother? ___________ a. If yes, was it provided: In person _______ By telephone _________ b. Was it provided by: A referring physician _________ An agent of a referring physician ________ The physician performing the abortion ________ An agent of the physician performing the abortion _______ 23. Did the mother avail herself of the opportunity to have the printed materials described in Section 1-738.3 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes mailed to her? ______________ 24. Were the informed consent requirements of subsection B of Section 1-738.2 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes dispensed with because of a medical emergency necessitating an immediate abortion: To avert death ______ To avert substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function arising from continued pregnancy _____ 25. Was the probable gestational age twenty (20) weeks or more? _____ a. If yes, was the mother provided the information described in subsection A of Section 1-738.8 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes? _____ (1) If yes, was the information provided: In person ______ By telephone ______ (2) If yes, was the information provided: By a referring physician _____ An agent of a referring physician _____ The physician performing the abortion _____ An agent of the physician performing the abortion _____ b. Did the mother choose to be given or mailed the materials described in Section 1-738.10 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes? ___________ c. To the best of the information and belief of the reporting physician, did the mother go on to obtain the abortion? ________ 26. Was the abortion performed within the scope of employment of an Oklahoma state employee or an employee of an agency or political subdivision of the state? ________ 27. Was the abortion performed with the use of any public institution, public facility, public equipment, or other physical asset owned, leased, or controlled by this state, its agencies, or political subdivisions? _________ 28. If the answer to question 26 or 27 is yes: a. Was the abortion necessary to save the life of the mother? _______ If yes, what was the life-endangering condition? __________ b. Did the pregnancy result from an act of forcible rape? _______ If yes, list the law enforcement authority to which the rape was reported ___________________ List the date of the report ___________ c. Did the pregnancy result from an act of incest committed against a minor? _________ If yes, list the law enforcement authority to which the perpetrator was reported ________________ List the date of the report ___________
THIS PORTION TO BE COMPLETED IN CASE OF MINOR
29. Minor’s age ___________ 30. Was a parent of the minor provided notice prior to the abortion as described in Section 1-740.2 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes? ________ a. If yes, how was the notice provided? In person _______ By mail _______ b. If yes, to the best of the reporting physician’s knowledge and belief, did the minor go on to obtain the abortion? ________ 31. Was informed written consent of one parent obtained as described in Section 1-740.2 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes? ______ If yes, how was it secured? In person ___________ Other (specify) _________ 32. If no notice was provided nor consent obtained, please indicate which of the following apply: Minor was emancipated ___________ Abortion was necessary to prevent the death of the minor _____ Medical emergency, as defined in Section 1-738.1 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes, existed ___________ Minor received judicial authorization to obtain abortion without parental notice or consent ___________ 33. If no notice was provided nor consent obtained because a medical emergency existed, please indicate: Whether parent was subsequently notified (state period of time elapsed before notice was given) ____________ Whether judicial waiver of notice requirement was obtained ________ 34. If the minor received judicial authorization to obtain an abortion without parental notice, please indicate which of the following applies: Judge ruled that minor was mature enough to give informed consent on her own ___________ Judge ruled that abortion was in the best interest of the minor ___________ Filed this ____ day of __________, _____ by: ______________________________ (Name of physician) _____________________________ (Physician’s license number)[SIZE=3][/SIZE]
Looks more statistical than anything. Sorry, no big concern here.
I did read the bill in its entirety, and after your admonitition, I read it again. And, first of all, what it lists as publishable is the minimum it requires, and it specifically allows for even more information to be included. And secondly, the information about rape and incest that it intends to include is marginal, but in rural areas, even marginal information can lead to identification of rape and incest victims. As I said before, my issue with this is two-fold. This legislation, as it stands, discourages the reporting of rape and incest because it adds to women's fears of such incidents becoming more generally known than they are comfortable with. The second concern, which is a lesser concern, but still legitimate, is that the Oklahoma legislature, in its pursuit of more accurate abortion statistics could intrude even further on a woman's privacy.
If you had read the bill you would have known that the reporting forms are completely different than the published report and not on page 7&8.
You won't even be able to tell if the abortions due to rape or incest were reported in a particular county or city...the published report is not that detailed. They aren't going to publish that the rape was reported to the Podunk Police Department, it will only say what general type of law enforcement agency was informed, State, Local, Federal, etc.
Example of a published report:
Abortions in the state 100
Abortions by County
A. 20
B. 20
C. 20
D. 20
E. 20
Abortions due to rape: 3
Number of rapes reported to authorities : 1
Agencies informed: Local Police
How long after rape report did abortion occur: 27 days
Abortions due to incest: 3
Number of incest incidents reported to authorities: 2
Agencies informed: State Police :2
How long after incest report did abortion occur: 21 days, 42 days
Now, which counties had abortions due to rape or incest?
jcarlilesiu-that report will not be published. The information will be compiled into a statistical model, just like the the CDC does now, for more than 48 states and reporting areas. They have been doing so since 1969.
If you had read the bill you would have known that the reporting forms are completely different than the published report and not on page 7&8.
You won't even be able to tell if the abortions due to rape or incest were reported in a particular county or city...the published report is not that detailed. They aren't going to publish that the rape was reported to the Podunk Police Department, it will only say what general type of law enforcement agency was informed, State, Local, Federal, etc.
Example of a published report:
Abortions in the state 100
Abortions by County
A. 20
B. 20
C. 20
D. 20
E. 20
Abortions due to rape: 3
Number of rapes reported to authorities : 1
Agencies informed: Local Police
How long after rape report did abortion occur: 27 days
Abortions due to incest: 3
Number of incest incidents reported to authorities: 2
Agencies informed: State Police :2
How long after incest report did abortion occur: 21 days, 42 days
Now, which counties had abortions due to rape or incest?
Your example comes from where???? It doesn't come from this bill!!!
You put a hugely vague example up, and try to claim that this is an example of what this bill is trying to accomplish. It's not. First, your example doesn't even begin to meet the minimal requirement standards that the bill establishes. Secondly, you are conveniently ignoring that the bill's standards are minimal, and that the bill says publishing more detailed reports is okay. This bill was championed by anti-abortion activists. For a reason. When the bill vaguely asserts that abortions in the case of rape have to include information about the authorities to whom the report was made, it doesn't say how non-specific that information has to be. In fact, it deliberately leaves the door open to being very specific.
Your example comes from where???? It doesn't come from this bill!!!
You put a hugely vague example up, and try to claim that this is an example of what this bill is trying to accomplish. It's not. First, your example doesn't even begin to meet the minimal requirement standards that the bill establishes. Secondly, you are conveniently ignoring that the bill's standards are minimal, and that the bill says publishing more detailed reports is okay. This bill was championed by anti-abortion activists. For a reason. When the bill vaguely asserts that abortions in the case of rape have to include information about the authorities to whom the report was made, it doesn't say how non-specific that information has to be. In fact, it deliberately leaves the door open to being very specific.
Well of course I didn't make a whole real report...I gave an example of the type of 'identifying' information you claimed would be in there regarding victims rape and incest. It won't be specific enough to track someone down.
The report will show
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general categories of law enforcement authorities to whom reports were made and the number made to each category, and a statistical summary of the length of time between the dates of reporting to law enforcement authorities and the dates of the abortions,
and the same for incest of a minor.That's pretty non-specific. In fact I was too specific in my example as it won't tell the exact number of days between each reported incident and the abortion but an average. It won't report the county or even the dates where the rape/incest/abortion took place. How could it be less specific?
It reads as though they are doing everything they can to make sure no one can be identified. This bill was passed by a wide majority in the OK house and signed into law by the pro-choice, democratic governor of the State....hardly a vast right wing anti-abortion conspiracy.
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Well of course I didn't make a whole real report...I gave an example of the type of 'identifying' information you claimed would be in there regarding victims rape and incest. It won't be specific enough to track someone down. 
