The official War on Christmas thread (2009) (homosexual, first amendment, document, society)
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OK. I'll buy those facts. But then CHANGE the name. Don't call a secular holiday "Christmas".
See the absurdity?
I think it's too ingrained socially to change it. I doubt the first thing that pops into many peoples heads when you say 'christmas' is jesus....most people think of family, trees, presents, breaks from school etc etc.
We could always call it Saturnalia...I think that has a far better ring to it than Christmas ever did
Okay. I can enjoy 90% of the Christmas songs. Some of them are just beautiful, and inspiring, but I absolutely hate "Grandma Got run Over By A Reindeer." I am irked by The "Wassail Song" and Barbra Streisand singing a jazzed up "Jingle Bells." I actually like the Holiday feeling. I have good memories of it.
Okay. I can enjoy 90% of the Christmas songs. Some of them are just beautiful, and inspiring, but I absolutely hate "Grandma Got run Over By A Reindeer." I am irked by The "Wassail Song" and Barbra Streisand singing a jazzed up "Jingle Bells." I actually like the Holiday feeling. I have good memories of it.
I do too...I love "Baby it's Cold Outside" and I love almost all Holiday movies. I'm a nut from Nov. - Jan
I'm not that touchy when it comes to Holidays though...I got some books from my mom from a black-owned book store a couple of Christmases ago and they guy told me to have a happy Kwanzaa and I just said "you too"; my son's school made dreidels in school and it didn't bother me.
I guess because when I was in school the "offended police" weren't that vocal. Nobody's mother called the school ranting because we played "Silent Night" at the winter concert.
I enjoy Christmas music too. I also like the old Christmas movies. My fave is "It's a Wonderful Life", starring Jimmy Stewart.
We have an evergreen in our yard that's about 32 feet tall and every year we decorate it with lights and put a huge bow at the top. Our neighbor owns a boom (used in tree service work) and we use that to get all the way up to the top of the tree with the decorations. There's a whole group of us that spend about 5 hours decorating it just before the football games on Thanksgiving Day.
It's pretty cool. Last year, it even made our local news.
My forefathers celebrated Yule at winter solstice for centuries before the missionaries showed up, and I'll feel free to take from the holiday what I bloody well please.
Family's nice, giving presents to the kids is fun, good eats and drinks, and the profusion of lights is a much-needed shot in the arm for Scandinavians yearning for days longer than 6 hours.
Last edited by Mike from back east; 10-13-2009 at 01:05 PM..
We could always call it Saturnalia...I think that has a far better ring to it than Christmas ever did
No, you don't want to do that; it would open up an entirely different can of worms. People would start expecting to put everything aside for a week or two and have all kinds of orgies.
Well my Aunt Margaret soaked hers in wine and/or whiskey, wrapped it up until Christmas....THOSE were good!!
If you're talking about "It's a Wondeful Life"....welllll , let's just say if I watched it I'd lose my fruitcake.
And all the warm fuzzy feelings of Christmas are quite artificial.
Why can't families have warm fuzzy days WITHOUT an excuse?
WITHOUT football?
Without booze?
Without overspending on crap?
WITHOUT domestic violence??
Wow. You've created a whole strawperson nativity scene, here. I'm sorry if your uncle Bob gets hammered and beats the kids. At our house, we're too busy scarfing up the rum-soaked fruitcake...
I do, and for exactly the same reason that there shouldn't be a Christmas tree at the White House (or any other government facility): because religious symbols don't belong there. You're not going to get any more equality than that; no religious symbols anywhere, at any time. Period.
A tree is not a religious symbol unless you're a Druid.
But thanks for reminding us that it is not only Christians who are confused by this complex holiday.
Wow. You've created a whole strawperson nativity scene, here. I'm sorry if your uncle Bob gets hammered and beats the kids. At our house, we're too busy scarfing up the rum-soaked fruitcake...
It is sad really that warped minds see this lovely Holiday as something evil or to be avoided. How did so many come to this way of thinking? Maybe they were abused beyond repair at some point.
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