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Old 10-10-2009, 09:36 PM
 
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As you well know, you have to have more data than that. Most weather websites I have perused use 30 years of data when they compute averages. If you know anything about Denver weather, you know that there are wild fluctuations.

The hottest temps have been in the last few summers (though not this one). In fact, I think summer 2008 was the hottest on record. The summer of 2002 was also hotter than Hades (though I've never been there).

So 10 years of data is not enough data to draw any conclusions?
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Old 10-10-2009, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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So 10 years of data is not enough data to draw any conclusions?
Apparently not to the weather people. Thirty is better. Here is some information from the "gold standard" folks:

National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) Weather/Climate Events, Information, and Assessments

"Such climate summaries are provided in a variety of formats, many based on a 'normal' base period of 30 years."
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Old 10-10-2009, 09:52 PM
 
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Boasting its earliest opening day in 40 years, Loveland officials opened for skiing today. Arapahoe Basin announced it would open Friday.

Loveland ski area opens today, A-Basin on Friday - The Denver Post
Are you familiar with snowmaking?
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Old 10-10-2009, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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For all you disbelievers:

Warnings for Boulder and Jefferson Counties Below 6000 Feet/West Broomfield County, Colorado : Weather Underground

This week in Metro Denver weather history...

10-11 in 1986... the first significant snowstorm of the season
produced 2 to 5 inches of snow over Metro Denver with 5
to 10 inches in the foothills west of Denver.
10-12 in 1969... the second heavy snowstorm in less than a week
dumped nearly a foot of snow across Metro Denver and
plunged the area into extremely cold temperatures for so
early in the season.
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Old 10-10-2009, 10:39 PM
 
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Are you familiar with snowmaking?

Of course they use snowmaking equipment. Just as soon as it's cold enough.
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Old 10-10-2009, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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What I have to add is the science: 10 out of 10 of the warmest years in recorded history have occurred in the last 12 years. Those are the facts.
Except you're completely wrong. You continue to use the false data that Hansen was caught trying to put up. The warmest was in 1934.
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Old 10-10-2009, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Are you familiar with snowmaking?
I don't see where this said man-made snow, do you?
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Old 10-10-2009, 11:35 PM
 
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I don't see where this said man-made snow, do you?
Uh, yes, as a matter of fact.

From the link:

"We took advantage of the cold temperatures and got an early start making snow this year," said Eric Johnstone, snowmaking and trail maintenance manager. "Now we can move some equipment to other trails and try to open more terrain as quickly as possible."
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Old 10-10-2009, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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What I have to add is the science: 10 out of 10 of the warmest years in recorded history have occurred in the last 12 years. Those are the facts.
Those are not facts. Several years in the 1930s are in the top 10.
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Old 10-10-2009, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Those are not facts. Several years in the 1930s are in the top 10.
Those of us who lived most of the 30s know that what you say is very true but the hottest summer of my life was 1980 when we hit 100 in May and had over 100 every day in June and that never happens here in southern Kansas except in a real el nino year which that one was.

Today, we got below 30 degrees before dark. Yes that was caused by a cold front that came down but I don't see how the jet stream did that since in my 76 years in southern Kansas I have never seen anything like this this early in October. This is not global warming but it certainly is climate change. Now we will have to listen to Sickof tell us about the two things. Anybody knows that now that the warmers have accepted the fact that humans haven't caused warming, climate change has become their term.
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