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[burdell]

Originally Posted by pghquest

Continuing to ignore the fact that "conservatives" are not responsible to solve citizens "problems", doesnt mean you are making progress with your argument,

So essentially, there exists no need for conservatives, correct? if not, what is the need?

Originally Posted by pghquest

So you think the abortion problem was caused bye a bunch of grey haired old men? I could be wrong, but I would bet that women arent banging down the doors to become pregnant by this segment of society, but maybe you could provide statistics showing I'm wrong.

If you're unable to understand the difference between a medical condition and a bunch of uninvolved fools trying to interfere with the decision making process of how that condition will be handled, sorry, you shouldn't be talking about either.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by burdell

Please cite case law where this has been determined to be true, your opinion isn't that impressive or convincing.

Article 1, section 8, subsection 3
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

And the 10th amendment, which leaves all powers not mentioned in the Constitution to the states. Authority to legislate unemployment, individual welfare, healthcare, minimum wage, are not powers mentioned in the Constitution.

While many argue these are powers granted under the "general welfare" clause, these are individual welfare benefits, not "general welfare"..

[djacques]

Originally Posted by GOPATTA2D

The difference between liberal and conservative ideology is that liberals think they need the government to solve problems and take care of the populace. Conservatives believe that the role of government is to provide a system and the framework for each individual to solve their own problems and take care of themselves.

That may be a difference in ideology but it is not any sort of difference in reality. In the actual world we inhabit and not some ideological fantasyland, "liberals" and "conservatives" only differ on what government "services" they want to provide.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by GOPATTA2D

The difference between liberal and conservative ideology is that liberals think they need the government to solve problems and take care of the populace. Conservatives believe that the role of government is to provide a system and the framework for each individual to solve their own problems and take care of themselves. That was the founding principle of this country - indivudual liberty and freedom.

And just how is removing abortion as a choice providing a framework for individuals to solve their own problems? It seems as if conservatives insist on putting their face on the framework. Sounds like a tunnel visioned system to me.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by burdell

So essentially, there exists no need for conservatives, correct? if not, what is the need?

Still unable to understand the difference between federal, and state authorities, and that liberals believe that the federal government is there to fix everything, and conservatives, well true conservatives, believe these rights and obligations belong on a STATE level. Again, continuing to post to show that you dont understand what is in the constitution isnt helping your argument.

Originally Posted by burdell

If you're unable to understand the difference between a medical condition and a bunch of uninvolved fools trying to interfere with the decision making process of how that condition will be handled, sorry, you shouldn't be talking about either.

haha, so now having an abortion is a "medical condition", almost like Cancer

And yet again, I need to remind you that even abortion belongs on a state level. Having an abortion is an individual welfare issue, not a society one, and thereby the constitution limits it at a state level with the Supreme Court having no jurisdiction to regulate rights to the state. If you think this right exists, then maybe you would point out the clause in the Constitution which grants the federal government the right to dictate what INDIVIDUALS have the right to do.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by pghquest

Article 1, section 8, subsection 3
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

And the 10th amendment, which leaves all powers not mentioned in the Constitution to the states. Authority to legislate unemployment, individual welfare, healthcare, minimum wage, are not powers mentioned in the Constitution.

While many argue these are powers granted under the "general welfare" clause, these are individual welfare benefits, not "general welfare"..

Still waltzin', eh?

I asked for case law citation(s), NOT your opinion on interpreting the Constitution or the definition of 'general welfare'

[burdell]

Originally Posted by pghquest

Still unable to understand the difference between federal, and state authorities, and that liberals believe that the federal government is there to fix everything, and conservatives, well true conservatives, believe these rights and obligations belong on a STATE level. Again, continuing to post to show that you dont understand what is in the constitution isnt helping your argument.

haha, so now having an abortion is a "medical condition", almost like Cancer

I haven't been spun this much on a Tilt-A-Whirl

Please DO explain the function of conservatives in national office? To do what? Sit on their asses and do nothing?

Originally Posted by pghquest

And yet again, I need to remind you that even abortion belongs on a state level. Having an abortion is an individual welfare issue, not a society one, and thereby the constitution limits it at a state level with the Supreme Court having no jurisdiction to regulate rights to the state. If you think this right exists, then maybe you would point out the clause in the Constitution which grants the federal government the right to dictate what INDIVIDUALS have the right to do.

It's a medical issue, and it's the hypocritical GOP that attempts to make it a national issue.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by burdell

Still waltzin', eh?

I asked for case law citation(s), NOT your opinion on interpreting the Constitution or the definition of 'general welfare'

So you think the constitution is just a "god dxm piece of paper"?

btw, I didnt interpret the constititution, I quoted it..

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by burdell

Please DO explain the function of conservatives in national office? To do what? Sit on their asses and do nothing?

It's a medical issue, and it's the hypocritical GOP that attempts to make it a national issue.

The federal government is LIMITED by the US Constitution, and all rights contained in this document. The Commerce Clause dictates that they have the authority to regulate transactions which involve crossing the state lines, the 10th amendment limits their authority to ONLY what is in the Constitution.

Conservatives indeed are limited in a national office as to what they can do, just like liberals, unless you are now suggesting that we both have different Constitutions.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by pghquest

So you think the constitution is just a "god dxm piece of paper"?

I said NO SUCH THING! Are you delusional or just have NOTHING of substance to say?

Originally Posted by pghquest

btw, I didnt interpret the constititution, I quoted it..

No, you said the Federal government was involved in things outside their authority, I asked where that allegation has been upheld in court, NOT merely in your imagination. You have yet to respond with anything but your opinion.