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The last election is NOT a way to believe the country is because the election of ObamAcorn was only caused by independents and left side republicans voting for Obama.
Without those groups the dems are hurting.
The dems have had their chance, control of congress for 3 years and Obama for 10 months and people see they are total failures.
Do not use your maps for anything of value, it is a false ideal map.
Things will change in time, the end of liberalism is very near.
four straight polls have Obama's approval at 56%, a higher % than what he got last year on Election Day. Yet people see him as a failure?? Interesting math skills there......
Ok, a little more than just the south as portions of the Plains States & Rocky Mountain west (minus Colorado) but it isn't 50/50. They are basically done for in the mid-atlantic, north east, midwest & west coast.
too many are forgetting, what happened in 2008 isn't indictative of much, plus registration and voting are two totally differnt things. Let's see what happens 12 and 1/2 months from now??
Maybe it's because we place the interests of our children and grandchildren over our own selfish interests. They will be paying for that government intrusion long after we are all dead. But then this government has, almost since its conception, been all about taking power from individuals or states and placing them in the federal government's hands.
exactly, that has been my point all along. I care for the future of my kids, grandkids and my one great grandchild. Too many, especially some of the very young on here do not have a clue. They haven't lived long enough to experience life as it is and will be.
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You're putting the health of your children and grandchildern at risk, for your own interest. Too many assume that their offspring will be able to afford health care in the future. The Wal-mart of the Future won't be offering it, as it's been deemed un-necessary by the conservatives in government and the people.
First of all, this is totally off the subject of the south and conservatism and second, most Americans are not oppossed to health reform, we just want to make it fair for all, not just those who don't pay anything or very little. But again, you and Purple lOve are off the subject.
too many are forgetting, what happened in 2008 isn't indictative of much, plus registration and voting are two totally differnt things. Let's see what happens 12 and 1/2 months from now??
Nita
I'm not just talking about the 08 election, though it does show the GOP's problem, but the overall down turn of the GOP outside of the south over the past 15 years.
The fact that during the last 5 Presidential elections, the Dems have swept the entire mid-atlantic, north-east & New England (minus New Hampshire once in 2000, which was Nader related), have swept the upper mid west in the last 5 as well (including Iowa in 4 of the last 5, with the loss being less than 1 point) swept the west coast as well. That is a problem for the GOP. The fact that the GOP has no members of Congress in ALL of New England, 2 of the 28 members of Congress from NY (one is vacant with an upcoming Special Election).
The GOP has some very severe problems outside of the south, and granted while things may not be like 08 forever, the problems the GOP has outside of the south wasn't just 2008, but something which has been moving in that direction over time.
Ehh the GOP was only relevant in the south argument wasn't made prior to Reagan's victory...
Actually it was.. Sunbelt Conservatives were a major voter demographic in the 70s and 80s. It was proven beginning in 1976 that the South had gained considerable ground in national elections, and it was the first time in over 100 years that the South decided an election. At the time, Southern voters were mostly suburban whites, which included refugees from the Rust Belt/Northeast.
Personally, I always felt people should be allowed to vote for whoever they want without being reprimanded..
The last time the Dems went on a big kick about how the GOP was only relevant in the south anymore, a man by the name of Ronald Reagan turned the electoral map red. I wouldn't get too caught up on pushing the "southern party" thing again.
Whole different era. Americans are very polarized and vocal now due to the endless baiting by limbaugh, hannity, beck & co.
Actually it was.. Sunbelt Conservatives were a major voter demographic in the 70s and 80s. It was proven beginning in 1976 that the South had gained considerable ground in national elections, and it was the first time in over 100 years that the South decided an election. At the time, Southern voters were mostly suburban whites, which included refugees from the Rust Belt/Northeast.
Personally, I always felt people should be allowed to vote for whoever they want without being reprimanded..
Your missing the point. A poster suggested that the current talk that the GOP isn't all that relevant outside of the south was made prior to Reagan. That simply isn't the case. No one made that suggestion prior to Reagan. Hell looking at the 76 election, the GOP did quite well in the northeast, upper mid west & west coast. It was the south where they had problems due to Carter.
Whole different era. Americans are very polarized and vocal now due to the endless baiting by limbaugh, hannity, beck & co.
This was already being done because of Clinton. Long before Hannity and Beck were superstars.
There is no more vocal people then those who idolized Clinton and when Bush came into office the left wing kooks came out of hiding to become extremely vocal and full of hate.
and when Bush came into office the left wing kooks came out of hiding to become extremely vocal and full of hate.
Then 9/11 happened and the Bush critics were easily marginalized as traitors and terrorist sympathizers. Then Obama becomes president and the rules changed again.
For the record, I despise both parties, although there are certain individuals in both I don't mind too much.
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