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There are plenty pro-gun people like me who believe in common sense, and then there are those who believe that common sense don't matter and everyone should be able to carry guns including criminals and those who are insane. After all, the Constitution does nor rule out anyone. The only people who should have a problem with showing id, are the criminals, just like the only people who have a problem showing id when buying booze are those who are underage. I remember having plenty of dry weekends because we did not have access to booze
I think this is funny! It's as though you didn't even read my message at all and just responded with whatever you're going to say. Fine.
Despite the fact that you've just ignored the fact that this law isn't actually going to prevent criminals from acquiring ammo anyways, let me throw more logic into this.
Are you not aware that it is already (past tense before the ammo law was passed) against the law for felons and insane people to have guns in California? So, if a criminal is not supposed to have a gun anyways, how in the hell is the ammo law supposed to prevent gun crime anyways? I mean, how can a criminal buy ammo if they aren't supposed to have a gun in the first place?
Once again, I will say this law does nothing except have a "chilling effect" on law abiding gun owners and potential gun owners now that they can be liable (read my previous posts on this).
Looks like lame duck Arnie just gave the Republican party the finger and now has his lips planted firmly on Obama's a$$.
So, if a criminal is not supposed to have a gun anyways, how in the hell is the ammo law supposed to prevent gun crime anyways? I mean, how can a criminal buy ammo if they aren't supposed to have a gun in the first place?
You buy a gun only once, but you need ammo every time you want to use it. Its like buying a car: you buy one, but you still need to buy fuel every week, don't you. Do you have something against making it harder for criminals to find ammo?
It's people like you who make the majority of us law-abiding gun owners look like irresponsible morons who are hell-bent on arming every criminal in the country. People don't have a problem with law-abiding citizens carrying guns, but when hard-liners like you push for laws which would make it even easier for anyone to buy guns and ammo, then people just turn against the whole idea if gun ownership.
Also, I don't see why every thread has to be about Obama, when most issues have nothing to do with him. This bill was signed into law by a Republican governor, who was voted into office by Republican voters. You get what you vote for. Republicans have a long history of doing the exact opposite of what their voters want.
You chilling horror scenario is so childish and so far fetched that I am not even going to comment on it. If someone wants to frame you for murder, there are much easier ways to do it than looking for casings at a gun range.
You buy a gun only once, but you need ammo every time you want to use it. Its like buying a car: you buy one, but you still need to buy fuel every week, don't you. Do you have something against making it harder for criminals to find ammo?
You know, I went back and read my own posts, and I don't see anywhere where I said I do not want to make it harder for criminals to find ammo. Actually, I wish there was a law that would make it harder for criminals to use weapons. And , these laws already exist in CA at least. However, these existing laws has problems if a felon can walk around with a gun even though it is explicitly against the law for that person to own one. The question is why can't existing laws be enforced?
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It's people like you who make the majority of us law-abiding gun owners look like irresponsible morons who are hell-bent on arming every criminal in the country. People don't have a problem with law-abiding citizens carrying guns, but when hard-liners like you push for laws which would make it even easier for anyone to buy guns and ammo, then people just turn against the whole idea if gun ownership.
I can't tell if you have a reading comprehension problem or if you are just spouting some "party line" agenda, and if you repeat the same thing over and over and over, by God it has to be true. I don't have a problem with gun laws that work. I do have a problem with gun laws that dont work and only impede law abiding citizens. What part of that paragraph do you not understand?
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Also, I don't see why every thread has to be about Obama, when most issues have nothing to do with him.
Because in this case, it is the truth. Sorry if you cannot handle it.
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You chilling horror scenario is so childish and so far fetched that I am not even going to comment on it. If someone wants to frame you for murder, there are much easier ways to do it than looking for casings at a gun range.
We do not need to have law abiding citizens to submit to giving fingerprints for ammo in order to control gun crime. Criminals ALREADY HAVE submitted fingerprints when they were arrested. Absolutely no need for it, and the potential unintended consequences are indeed horrific.
I wonder if this law will impact those who do their own re-loading?
Even though the law states projectiles, as far as I could find, bullets for reloading aren't included. My guess, however, would be that this will cause many online manufacturers and retailers to do a blanket "no California" shipping rule and dealers to treat them the same as live rounds to cover their butts just in case.
The calguns forum has a great thread on this right now, including the preliminary steps the calguns foundation is taking to have this law removed.
Somehow I get the feeling that the gang-bangers are not into gun-safes, and stocking for the bad day like you and me may be.
Your "feeling" is mistaken
Often times when law enforcement busts these big time drug cartels and drug gangs - they have weaponry and ammo stashes that are friggin' unbelieveable!
I can't tell if you have a reading comprehension problem or if you are just spouting some "party line" agenda,
In this case it would be the Republican party, but no, I am Independent.
Since you brought it up, I'll wait for you to present the gun law which works. If you have such a huge problem with showing id when buying ammo, then I just can't imagine what kind of law you would not have a problem with.
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